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Another criticism with tape and fill, is you rely on the plasterboard being GOOD. One wall in our previous house, when the sun was just right (wrong?) you could see slight ripples in the board finish, which had I noticed I would have rejected that board. Plastering covers such imperfections.
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Scrim tape is used at joints, which is a self adhesive sort of open woven tape. External corners are done with either metal or plastic beads. I have sort of come to a deal with him that I will pay for the upstairs, and we will then do a trade swap when it comes to the downstairs (he will be building a new house soon and will need an electrician. Yes it's the better finish we are wanting, this is supposed to be the long term house. It's not so much that taping and filling gives a poor initial finish, it just does not seem to last with screw head fills poping and corner joints having a habit of the tape lifting.
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Plasterers are like hen's teeth round here. everyone just tapes and fills.
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That's easy. Choose your door sizes, and allow for door liners each side. I think my door openings are 10mm bigger than that theoretical size to allow for packers to get it all square, which will be covered by the architrave.
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I have my own scaffold. I have discussed that and all he wants is a small tower up the stairwell. All other rooms he will work from planks and trestles or hop ups. I have just had a look back in my book at the last house. We had that one taped and filled. That cost us £1290 to have the whole house taped and filled, that house used about 230 sheets of plasterboard, so £5.60 per sheet for taping. The price I have at the moment for plastering equates to £17 per board, so 3 times as much as taping (the taping cost would no doubt be higher now as this was 12 years ago)
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Just to be clear, the boards are on. I am just comparing prices to get it plastered. And in my case that's not the floor area, that's the wall and ceiling area that needs plastering.
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This all reminds me when I used to have a trade account at the Electric Centre. I went in for a load of lighting, mostly downlights and lamps. They didn't have half what I wanted, and when asked the price for what they had, I was gob smacked. I walked out the door, into toolstation accross the road, they had the whole lot I wanted for less than I was quoted at electric centre for half of it. Not been back to Electric centre since and my account with them has lapsed.
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79 boards in fact. Allowing for wastage (very small actually) I arrived at 225 square metres. This is most of the upstairs only, less than half the total of the whole house. We want to get the bedrooms operational first so we don't have to sleep in the static caravan over winter. The price I have been quoted is nearly twice that per metre cost you mention. That's for one man and his mate. There are not many plasterers around these parts, 99% just tape and fill. He didn't say how long it would take, just the cost to do that much.
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In a perfect world you are right. In my imperfect world I simply cannot afford doors and liners now, but need to get on. What do you mean by "messy edge"? The architrave will cover most sins? As long as he can lay down an even thickness skim I don't see an issue. If the lack of an "edge" means the skim changes thickness drastically and undulates, then I see a problem but would hope a good spread would get an even thickness coat.
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I have 225 square metres of wall and ceiling plasterboarded. I am looking to get it plastered rather than taped and filled. What should I expect to pay labour only for that (I will disclose the price I was quoted later)
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I hope you are over thinking. I am on the verge of getting plastered before the door liners are in (I can't afford the doors and liners at the moment) The plasterer didn't say "oh I can't do it until the door liners are in"
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Floors, horses and UFH
ProDave commented on curlewhouse's blog entry in Sips and stones may break my bones...
Different insulation I know, but nobody has come close to the prices I got from SIS- 12 comments
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I must admit I am seeing a room that has so many angles and bits jutting out, I don't know where I would put the bed. Is a solution to the overbearing wall to not take it all the way to the vaulted ceiling, instead finish it at a normal 2.4 metres and create a flat mezanine space above the en-suite?
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Another twist to this certification lark is schemes like FIT, RHI and MCS certification. My plasterer visited this morning, he is about to embark on a new build for himself. We were discussing heat pumps, and he told me he had a quote from the local Renewables company for a heat pump for a little over £7K He doesn't yet know what amount of RHI payment that would qualify him for, but I showed him my £500 heat pump that I will be self installing, and asked him to check carefully that the RHI payment will indeed exceed the "MCS premium" he would be paying to get an approved installer to fit it, just so he can claim the RHI. What "pisses me off" is I can't self install my own solar PV and then claim the FIT. What pisses me off more than that is I can't claim the FIT until I have an EPC for my building, and I can't get that until it is pretty well complete. Nobody would give me an EPC for the static caravan (I tried and hit brick wall after brick wall) but neither would anybody agree is was an exempt building and certify it as such. The result of all this stupid red tape, is I have spent the last 3 years watching the solar PV FIT drop to the point of being worthless, when I would have liked to have installed my ground mount solar PV 3 years ago. So much for encouraging me to fit a genuine source of renewable energy.
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Every EM light I have seen has been 240V supply, something like 6V batteries driving a T5 tube. More recently they use LED's for the light giving longer battery life. If this is what they really said, I am beginning to smell BS?
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What are they saying is wrong? not enough EM lights?, lights not lasting long enough (worn out battery packs?, not enough fire detectors and alarms etc?
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I have had nothing but trouble with IRESA. The latest that I am about to raise a support ticket for, is I went to submit a monthly meter reading, and my MPAN number has disappeared from the system. Instead it says "your meter points are being set up" Until that is resolved I can't submit a reading.
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Could it be like the stud wall I am battling with? When I put it up well over 6 months ago, the 4 by 2's were straight. Now I come to plasterboard them, some have warped one way, some have warped the other way, and nearly all have twisted. Sometimes I hate wood.
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Can you make a guard that comes down over the blade from above? Not infallible but some protection against stray things contacting the blade you just need something behind the blade (and thinner than the blade) for it to pivot on. Here's a random picture of a proper table saw showing what I mean
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That was a worry of mine while I had my own scaffold up and the builders working from that to erect the frame. The only real failing I am aware of was no toe boards as I simply needed all the boards I had to stand on. We "got away" with that. And now it i me genuinely working on my own. Re "Air bags" on my first build, the roofers insisted on them, but then carried on. I remember a guy turning up with a big lorry full of them an unloading them into the house when it was nearly all done, then removing them 2 days later.
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I have input all the data for my house into Jeremy's spreadsheet, and it tells me when it's -10 outside and 20 degrees inside the total heat demand will be 2554W so I am confident my 5Kw ASHP will do nicely. The house will get tested this winter. We will be partly occupying it but at least to start with the ASHP and UFH won't be installed so just an electric convector or 2. That should enable me to reasonably accurately measure the real heat input needed. I am hoping this winter will prove there is no need for a WBS (we will be having one for the static caravan though)
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You will have to explain (with a picture?) for those of us that don't know, what "two traditional Scottish rigs" are please. (I am sure you are not talking of the type found floating in the Cromarty Firth)
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Discount Offers of the Week
ProDave replied to Ferdinand's topic in General Self Build & DIY Discussion
Cheap Wood burning stove. You have to be quick, not much time left on this offer price (will be interesting to see how much it goes up by when the offer ends) https://www.woodburnerworld.co.uk/kresnik-multifuel-woodburning-stove-45kw-13612-401468 I have ordered one and will be collecting it on a trip south in a few weeks. I am not suggesting it for a passive house but the one I am buying is to go in our static caravan. -
We made the one reasonably large window on the west facing elevation a fixed pane, partly because it would be behind the kitchen sink so awkward to open if you wanted to, but also partly because this will be exposed to the prevailing weather and the horizontal rain in a winter storm. A door on the same elevation suffered some water ingress where the theshold of the door was not adequately sealed to the frame of the building initially.
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+1 to that. I recall it used to be "normal" with a ballcock type filler for the cistern to fill almost full, then for a trickle or water to continue for ages, ending as a drip drip drip until finally stopping. The newer vertical float types fill at full bore very quickly before shutting off almost instantly. Such a much more refined system.
