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Hello Vijay. Well done getting the tools out. Below is a bit of text from a previous post. "Just on you own with a half bag Belle mixer, a good barrow, under cover, with not too many windows, tricky bits, and loading out the blocks each night for the next day, cleaning the mixer then with this amount of blocks I would go for 150 blocks a day (15m sq) if you are fit and tenatious. Expect this to drop off from time to time, well quite often, go for a hundered a day (10m sq) tops as you also need to order materials etc" Vijay, if you haven't done this before expect to lay say fifty 100mm thick dense block for the first few days. But the mix.. Oz07 @Oz07 is bang on with it being a learning process. Actually, a good labourer used to be worth their weight in gold to a brickie squad. Anyway here are a few pointers. 1/ Look after you materials. Get the sand, cover it up so it does not get too wet / or dry and to stop the local cats / foxes using it as a bog. 2/ Buy your cement in weather proof bags.. may cost a few pence more. 3/ Get some plasticizer for mortar.. 5 litres should about do. 4/ Get a half bag Belle or similar mixer.. bigger than that and you'll end up wasting mortar and having to dump it. 5/ Get two or three mortar boards.. kitchen doors work well, not OSB board as it splinters 6/ Tools.. string line, good bead etc. A bit of technical stuff. Below is some info from a common standard. The key here is to understand what type of blocks you are working with. If the mortar is too strong the blockwork will be more prevelant to cracking. Too weak and well.. that is just as bad as making it too strong. Roughly what you are often looking for is something around class two to three.. more leaning towards class three for practical purposes above ground.. provided you do you best to not remix stuff and really take care with the mortar, temperature, keeping the blocks not too wet or too dry (not on a boiling hot day or below 4 deg c or falling).. there is a lot too it.. but so long as you do a bit of research you should be on the way to a good job. You can see he above table refers to proportion by volume. This helps. Get a pail and pour half a 25 kg bag of cement into it. Mark the level. Now gently shovel the sand into the pail to the same level as the cement was. Tip it out onto a board and repeat. Now you have a pile of sand. Get your shovel and count how many shovels it take of the same size to move the sand into the mixer... note it down as you are learning. Don't whack the sand into the pail as you are not at the beach. As you go you'll get the hang of judging the proportions so you don't have to use the pail any more. Put half the sand into the mixer, Now depending on how dry the sand is you roughly need about the same volume or a bit less than the amount of cement. For the first mix of the day put the plasticiser in first following the instructions for how much you need for 12.5 kg of cement.. Now add water.. about half the volume of the cement measuring as you go. Now add the cement, a bit more water until it starts to mix and the back of the mixer is clean.. stuff not sticking to the blades... don't put your arm into the mixer.. Add the rest of the sand and very slowly add more water, it comes a point where you only need about a mug full to get it just right. Mixing should take three to five minutes.. don't over mix or under mix. The key to getting start is to make sure it is workable but not over mixed with too much air. It will take some time to learn how to do it but once you get the hang of it it can be very satisfying, so long as you take your time and set everything out carefully. From memory roughly one batch out of a mini Belle ( 12.5 kg of cement) will do about 25 number 100mm thick blocks. Do a bit more research and it's all doable. Lastly, just check that what you are building is a standard wall.. not some kind of specialist engineered wall with high strength blocks carrying high loads.. always check first.
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Which plastic type for a temporary window glazing?
Gus Potter replied to epsilonGreedy's topic in Windows & Glazing
What about trying this? Try phoning up a few double glazing installers and ask them if you can rake their skip, you may get some full frames + glass that just need a bit of trimming of the opening with some rough timber or you may just get the sealed units, some may be misted up (failed units) but they will still let the light in. For the installers getting rid of the plastic frames can be costly so a few will be glad to get them off their hands. Also, they should help as they know that they will maybe get a shout at providing your new windows! The French Doors and windows in the photo are recovered from an old sunroom, now demolished. I have been dodging away building a bit out the back when not doing the day job. Been busy with the day job so have been at this on and off for a while! The doors and windows are to come out soon and this will leave an opening the width of the lintel. Basically I got the old plastic doors / windows and made a temporary sub frame from old timber. You can see there are timber studs each side of the doors.. these have a gap at the top. This is to allow the lintel to deflect a bit as the roof was built and the load goes on it... often technically called a deflection head detail. The idea is that you allow the kit to dry .. build the external skin and so on thus avoiding a sudden drop when you take out the temporary studs. Hopefully, over the next couple of months we will have the new windows doors in and I'll be looking to get rid of what you see in the photos plus another back door and another set of French doors. So for Build Hub members ONLY.. they will be free to a good home so long as you collect them. I'm in East Kilbride just South of Glasgow so if there is any interest I'll post the sizes. The doors have one set of keys.. the window ones are lost.. and it goes without saying that no guarentee is available! I will be a bit sorry to see them go as they have provided plenty light while I have been working away.. but that is the price of progress. -
Interesting cost information for persimmon builds
Gus Potter replied to Moonshine's topic in Costing & Estimating
Hi all. Does this rule of thumb still fit? Take a green field plot, no contamination etc in a rural area with private drainage but with main services at the road side. You are a first time self builder and go for the full Architect design, plus tender, contract administration and site supervision. Then you could save about 10% on the build cost (excluding the land) compared with an equivalent house you may find for sale at an Estate Agent excluding agency fees etc. This is dependant on you shopping about and finding the right design team for you. You are a first time self builder and go for a basic design service, put a good bit of work and research into the job. You engage a main contractor, handle the contract stuff yourself and so on. Here you may look to save 20% on the build cost at the end of the day. You are a pro with the self build habit.. plenty on this site to help out with advice.. here the savings can be substancial... but remember that some of the folk here have spent years learning how to do it. Now once you have the hands on experience your are possibly looking at build three.. one is profit if all goes well...but you need to be a savvy plot buyer and so on. Just as an aside for an average standard.. say TF simple self build the material cost is about 2/3 and the labour 1/3 excluding the plot and services etc. However, while the above may disappoint some, bear in mind that if you go about it in the right way you will avoid the possibility of suffering from the numerous defects that many new homes built homes by big developers seem to suffer from. And thus, you can add an extra 10% saving for the grief and stress you avoid trying to get your "developer house" fixed. You also get a home that is bespoke to you. I wonder where the defects (after care costs) appear in the big developer costings? or are they not significant? Although the developers have the economy of scale it's not suited to one off plots, their overheads are different and so on. -
Introduction - self build newbies
Gus Potter replied to deancatherine09's topic in Introduce Yourself
Hello deancathrine09. Well done taking the plunge. You may want to post a site plan that shows the slope of the ground and so on. Also, any information you may have gleaned on the ground and services and so on. It may seem a bit early but if you can try and firstly understand how the ground supports (and how the insulated slab interacts with the ground) insulted slabs / eco type houses then this will help you make a more informed decision. Much of the financial risk and design is driven by what is under the ground. If you can get a handle on this early then it can give you more certainty as to how much you have available to spend on the finishes and so on. It may sound complicated but the principles are actually fairly simple... and you'll get practical advice here if you get stuck. The next step may to be to gain a deeper understanding of how the house stays up.. the structure. This can help you work out what you do and don't need, from say a TF manufacturer and thus what you can do practically do yourselves. You'll get plenty information here! Just remember to remove any identifying marks from any drawings etc so as to avoid copywrite issues etc. All the best and enjoy the journey. -
Pozi Joist deflection and cantilevers
Gus Potter replied to BartW's topic in General Structural Issues
It may be possible to "sister" the poszi joists on each side to take the weight of the cantilever. Maybe what you would do here is to use solid timbers at a good length spanning back into the main floor zone to get the back weight. They (solid timbers) are more torsionally stiff and you can brace them more easily to partly resist the torsion (twisting) effect that is prevelant in cantilevers. You can also take the shear out more easily and practically with a solid joist at the support position, as Peter alludes to. To all, pozi joists etc don't perform that well as cantilevers as they are "prone to twisting" which significantly reduces their load bearing capacity. Sometimes you can just add a few solid timbers in to skirt around the problem while keeping the ethos of an "engineered timber design" It takes a bit of extra thought as the "engineered joist" suppliers don't often have to much flexibility with their software, if it's a one off job then they will charge accordingly. Most SE's will just split the problem into two to recognise this cost implication and get on with an economic design. -
Hi Tom.. I'll have a stab at this. Assuming the following... You don't have designs on turning the temporary living space into some holiday let later? It's just temporary accommodation for say 18 months.. less but you use it for storage for a while. Let's also say you are not on peaty ground, say clay or better ground.. even some of what is called expansive clays.. sensetive clays.. these are clay soils that can swell, shrink by several inches. Also assume that your "lodges" are temporary and that you don't mind if the paint, finishes etc get a bit cracked.. not massive cracks but more than what you would accept in your finished house. A bit of technical stuff..Take a softish clay as a reasonably worst case. This would be a clay soil that can be easily moulded with firm finger pressure. This type of clay may well be able to support a house that loads the ground by about 40 kN/m sq. Now that equates to roughly 4 tonnes per square metre or ~ 400 kg per square foot. I'm mixing units here but the point is that this equates to about 4 large folk per square foot on an isolated "pad" foundation. This type of loading could.. all things being equal.. result in some 25mm of settlement? Maybe not so good for a house but ok for temporary accommodation so long as you account for it as the seasons change and the ground swells and shrinks. Here are some suggestions / food for thought, the tools, equipment you may need. The key here is to try and use stuff that you can recycle.. sleepers, hard core etc. 1/ Make a water level, I have posted about this before how to make one yourself but can't find it. It's basically a hose pipe with some clear pastic tube fitted to the ends. also by say a trolly jack.. usually a 1.5 - 3.0 tonne SWL jack is fine or just borrow one..think carefully before put your body under the structure when jacking. 2/ Dig a couple of holes where you want to put the temp home. 3/ If soil looks ok.. you should already have an idea as you have site info for the house. then scrape the site level. 4/ Put down a bit of hard core.. say 100 mm type one and give that a whack with a whacker plate.. don't over do it.. lots of folk try and whack it to death and wonder why it start's to go soft again.. storey for another day. 5/ Get some sleepers and lay them reasonably level, don't bed them on sand as this can wash out. Try and get the tops of the sleepers to say + / - 10mm. If your hard core is reasonably flat that will do. The sleepers will bed in. Make sure you measure carefully where the lodges need supported. Cut some timber ply wood packers.. call these shims and lay them on top of the sleepers.. make them all level. Don't fix the shims down as you want to be able to take them out later to drop the level if need be. 6/ Lift the lodge into position. Now you are nearly there.. but... you often need to tie these things down as the wind can get under them and lift them. Make sure you don't make the packing too thick.. keep the things say less than 450mm off the ground as the sideways wind will start to cause a problem. The simple way is to buy some lorry straps and put them over the roof, tie them down to some one tonne bags of concrete / building sand.. put some compost in the top and grow some carrots while your at it or veg that likes some free draining soil. As an aside if you go to a static caravan park you'll often see the underside side boarded in.. this is to try and stop the wind getting in.. primarily to stop wind uplift and also to keep the floor a bit warmer. Join the two units together with a cover plate so they can move independantly.. after all when you come you sell them someone may only want to buy one so try not to damage them. Every now and again you can jack the think up a bit if it settles. make sure you insulate the water pipes and if say in Aberdeenshire the soil pipe too! Once you move in use the sleepers for the garden, the hard core for the greenhouse base and the sand with the compost for that perfect lawn. Hopefully you can do all this for a bit less? Oh, and if it settles, one end rises a bit due to the ground swelling then get the jack out, slacken the straps and add a shim or two, then re tighten the straps. It's easier if you have a couple of slip sleaves etc on the soil pipe, and plenty slack in the electrical connection, broad band, gas pipes etc.
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Hello Helen. If you can, then post your plans; make sure you show site boundaries, slopes if you can. Make sure you edit out any identifying marks. You can get help on this site that will guide you towards getting a good budget price, tips on how to negotiate, what to look out for and so on, make suggestions as to how you could progress. Your Architect should be able to guide you.. but it depends on what / how you have briefed them. Posting a bit more information should pay dividends. The main this is to try and make sure you enjoy the processs. It is possible! All the best.
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Spot on @SuperJohnG it's always worth phonig up for a chat and asking for an explanation. For all it may be worth having a look about for Engineers who are local to you that can provide a similar service in case you encounter a soil / ground works problem. In this case if you have to have a few site visits then any initial savings may be lost? Also.. what is the cost of supervision. Often a local Engineer will just "drop in" to see how things are going! It's amazing how that can inprove the quality of the work.
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Hi Duece22 It would be worth posting a loft plan. I'm wondering why the steels are in tandem? For the self builder who is doing a one off project then maybe it's worth looking at the bigger picture. You may on first appearance have say an 20 -30% extra steel weight. Take a self build rate for beams / UC sections with not a lot of holes, welding (shot blasted and primed) at £ 3000.00 per tonne delivered (Westen Isles excluded!) to be on the safe side. While the steel may seem heavy they can be simple to install. If in a rural area your local farmer will come with a telehandler and lift them in for you. If you are DIY hands on then you can lift them with a chain hoist, or just lift one end a little bit at a time .. story for another day. UCs (often called column sections) are mainly intended to carry vertical loads, thus they are more squat.. they have a thicker web than a UB ..universal beam that is mainly intended to carry bending forces.. like a floor joist. However, you often see them used where you need to try and keep the floor thickness down say. Yes, you have a heavier steel section which costs a bit more as it is heavier. They key here is to not make it too complex. Yes, you may save on steel weight if you look to value engineer just the steel but as you make it more complex you reduce you options on the amount of contractors that are able to take the job on, or they add an uplift which more than offsets the steel savings. Duece, depending on your loft layout you could introduce a steel newal post at the stairs.. but the stairs look like a key feature... almost free standing and making a statement. Also that post and other load bearing walls would need foundations. If you take skilled labour at £ 900.00 to 1100.00 a week you can see how a contactor who may be pricing will just say... This is the 10th job I have priced that this week, I'll add a "couple of grand" to cover me.. as the beams now are slim, fancy connections and so on. I know it seems rough but go for simple stupid. You could look at designing the roof / loft so that you hang the structure below from it. This is technique used often.. but it adds complexity and introduces buildability issues that your local builder may be less familiar with. All the best.
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Hi all. This may seem like music to some ears... £££ savings possible here. Key points for pad footings, and any footings for that matter are to: 1/ Put them in the right place and at the right depth. Remember that deeper is not always better, sometimes we look to sit the footings on a hard crust rather than digging for glory. The hard crust spreads the load out so when it get to the softer lower area it does not load that softer layer so much and this reduces settlement amongst other things. 2/ It's actually better to have rough sides to the founds in virgin ground as the concrete gets into the vertical sides and provides a extra shear key, thus spreading load more. So have a think about that before you spend money and time on shuttering, maybe just spend a little more on concrete, it's worth weighing it up. 3/ Do not put services etc under foundation pads as you can compromise the design. 4/ Please remember that excavations can be dangerous and behave in unexpected ways. 5/ 34 tonnes is about 340 kN which is a lot for a single storey small span building unless you have some heavy masonry? 100 kg ~= 1 kN... 1 tonne ~= 10 kN... 6/ Oh, and as a teaser for the basement folk.. you often design for minimum surcharge load on the finished ground around the outside of the building of 10 kN/ sq metre ~ 1 tonne a sq metre. This is to account for someone driving a JCB etc around the building later, or someone changing the ground level, storing material. Sometimes this can drive the design even if you have a low water table, favourable ground and so on. In summary, it's worth having a chat with your Engineer. Pad footings can also resist horizontal loading so it's important to understand what the are intended to do. Are they for just carrying vertical load or do they also need to take some sideways loading.. often this happens when you have a "goal post" portal frame type of structure or the pads are designed to resist the overall sideways wind load on the building.
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Hot Water Tank flow return differential.
Gus Potter replied to Fly100's topic in Boilers & Hot Water Tanks
Does not look to drastic to me, see @ProDave etc above, also Peter re sticky port valve etc, Steamy tea. -
For a bit of info and to provide a bit of backgound on the fire regs as @daiking mentions... it's weighty subject but hopefully this helps. I'm no JK Rowling but here goes. The fire regs are commonly thought to have been introduced after the Fire of London. They realised that the fire spread not just because of the sparks and flames that jumped from building to building but that also the buildings radiated heat, like an electric fire. We know that if you put something too close to an electric fire you can set it alight even though there are no flames or sparks. This paid dividends in the Blitz, but less so elsewhere in the UK. This is one principle that is recognised in the regs today. When you build close to a boundary (say 1.0m or less) you need to stop some things from happening. These are: 1/ You need to make sure that if your building goes on fire the flames and sparks don't jump the boundary and set light to a neigbouring property. This is called "integrity"which means that the cladding and underlying wall does not start to expand, buckle and force the cladding seems open etc, letting the flames and sparks through. 2/ You need to make sure that your wall does not heat up enough so that it radiates heat, like an electric fire, and that this radiant heat does not set light to another property, this is often called " the fire insulation" ... 1 & 2 are different properties. 3/ You need to make sure that the Fire Brigade can put out the fire without risk of (commonly, but not always) the wall collapsing on them. Thus when you have a fire boundary condition you need to design the wall so that: 1/ The structure (call it the skeleton) of the wall is sufficiently protected so that it will hold the cladding in place, gaps in the cladding won't open up letting flames through and so on. 2/ That the make up of the wall is insulated enough so that the wall won't radiate too much heat over the boundary. This often means you need to clad the inside of the wall with fire protective material, or directly protect the structural frame holding the cladding in place. 3/ That the actual cladding won't catch fire from the heat and same cladding won't then send sparks and flames over the boundary, hence the Class 0 cladding rating... which means that it does not catch fire.. unlike bricks which don't burn. 4/ That the fire boundary wall will stay up long enough so that the fire can be safely put out and ideally it won't collapse a bit later on on the fire investigators... but this (in my view) needs more devlopment in the regs.. they partly address this in New Zealand etc..here's hoping it will get more attention in the UK. The regs in England are a little different than those say in Scotland, but the same principles apply. If you have read this far then thanks. Hopefully what I have outlined will help some to make headway with the building regs and why BC are asking the things they do. In summary @daikingYou may be able to apply protective coatings to the timber to get class 0, but remember you also need to protect the structure so that the wall says up. You can find more info on the net. All the best and hope you enjoy your project.
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Hot Water Tank flow return differential.
Gus Potter replied to Fly100's topic in Boilers & Hot Water Tanks
But how much cooler is the water going to the UF, after all the blending / mixer valve is meant to reduce the temperature of the water so it does not harm the flooring or give you sweaty feet. -
Boiler frequent cycling with underfloor heating - Common problem??
Gus Potter replied to Pipes's topic in Underfloor Heating
Hi Onoff. Don't knock the oil boiler too much, had one of those when living in country. It did the UF heating over two storeys each with timber suspended floors. For all, is your boiler is going Off for a little bit then coming back On for a while, or is it really short cycling.. Onoff...Onoff..and again Onoff? If off for a little bit and on for a long time then as Onoff says this may be because the house is a bit drafty. The great thing about an old oil burner is that it's (reputably) quite easy to get a handle on how it works. For me I thought I did but maybe I was just living in ignorant bliss. From memory it has a thermostat that detects when the water in the box surrounding the burner cools below a certain point. It struck me when I first open it up that it was basically the same as a wood burning stove that also heats the water but instead of putting wood in it you just shoved a blow lamp into the front where the door should normally go on a stove. That stat triggers the burner to come on. Once the water gets to a certain temperature the stat turns the burner off. Maybe you can add a pipe stat in series so that you can allow the temperature of the return water to drop more before the burner triggers ( thus over riding the internal boiler stat range), but not too much as often they are linked to the hot water cylinder. It occured to me that if you set the return temperature to the boiler too low then you could start sucking the heat out the hot water tank, in other words the coil in the tank might start to work in reverse? I'm not sure if this concept works yet. Also, another past reason (it's hearsay) for not knocking the oil boiler is that in the bad snow and when the garages are shut you could top up a Bedford van with a bit of kerosene in an emergency. I think that those days are in the past... but it can make for a good story? -
New build with basement Essex/London boarder
Gus Potter replied to Hyside's topic in Introduce Yourself
As a general point maybe to get started assume neighbour's founds are 18" (~ 450mm below finished ground level) and formed in stepped brick - corbelled. Draw your line of ground pressure influence from there. If the neighbours founds are deeper then it can be your lucky day. If you have SE calcs then they will probably have considered this already. All the best, proposals look great. -
Boiler frequent cycling with underfloor heating - Common problem??
Gus Potter replied to Pipes's topic in Underfloor Heating
Can see why this is a common problem @Pipes and one that could be heading my way too. I'm doing up the house; extension with a mix of solid concrete slab, plus suspended timber floors in an open plan area on the ground floor. Also have some ground floor rooms with rads. Upstairs rads too. The rads are on different zones. I want to add some extra bathrooms, have no room for a system boiler + hot water tank so need to go for combie, a bit like Pipe's. Now you seem to get stuck as you get a big boiler to provide lots of hot water.. but when everything else shuts down apart from the UF this cycling thing crops up. My understanding is that for the boiler to go into condensing mode you need a cool return flow and it wants to just chug away, which makes it difficult when you have sized combi for plenty hot water. This may be blasphemy and offend the purists of UF heating.. but.. If you have UF heating that has an element of concrete slab then you have a good heat sink... which you may be able to use as the buffer. While you are supposed to keep the water pipe temperature constant maybe it's ok to allow the concrete temperature around the pipes vary a bit locally. So can this be the "buffer", heat sink... as after all, if the bit in the middle of the slab varies by 5 or 10 deg will you notice this at the surface? Also, you do turn the heating off in the summer so some minor variation may be ok when in use. How about trying to "trick" the mixer valve. The idea is that you let the return temperature drop a bit more so that when the system does call for hot flow from the boiler it can run for longer? Maybe you can experiment by just installing a couple of gate valves and manually operating them and see if the boiler settles down a bit, if so then buy the 2 port valves and stat, if not just blank off the pipes with stop ends and say "well at least I tried that and it has not cost me to much". I put some values on the diagram but I think they are a bit off. See diagram below. I may well have missed a trick here, but no harm in getting some guidance. -
Steel Beams vs Cavity Lintels
Gus Potter replied to MortarThePoint's topic in RSJs, Lintels & Steelwork
Hi Dave I chucked that in at the end about the pre camber as food for thought. Yes a bit unsual. You would only consider it on long span (wide openings) where you have say a lot of masonry above, maybe a heavy long span floor to support too. All beams bend once loaded up with masonry so once the stonework is build and you string a line between the points of support you may find say 7 - 10mm mm downwards deflection i.e the underside of the beam is bowed down and it will stay like that. With modern glazing systems and a lot of the slender frames anything near or against them that is not too straight (like the underside of a beam) can show up more to the keen eye. Now suprisingly it's not that difficulat to put a little upwards precamber in a modest sized beam...you're not arching it, just tweeking. There is a fabricator in Scunthorpe who uses a hydraulic ram (off an old crane) in a rig. They lay the beam in on it's side. Run a string line from one end to the other and crank up the ram, easing the beam back and forward until they get say a gentle 10mm precamber. The beam is installed with the camber upwards, masonry on top. Hopefully you can then stand back and have a perfectly flat beam soffit... Yes not run of the mill stuff but if you are spendings thousands on the glazing then why two or three hundred more just to get it a little more perfect? In reality it's on most folks wish list and thus unusual to see on site for domestic applications. It was pointed out to me the other day that quite a lot of heat loss occurs due to the window frame, particularly aluninium, thus the less frame you have exposed the better the performance... how much I'm not sure?- 15 replies
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Maybe you can unclip the controller on the pump. This might let you access the shaft of the pump without draining the system, sometimes there is a screw cap covering the shaft, when you take this off some water drips out, but not a flood. Some of the pumps I have seen have a slot on the shaft, give it a couple of turns with a screwdriver to see if it is rotating freely.
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Steel Beams vs Cavity Lintels
Gus Potter replied to MortarThePoint's topic in RSJs, Lintels & Steelwork
Good points @MortarThePoint One way of looking at Mortar's question particularly, to sensitive doors (say some bifolds, sliding doors) in wide openings is to start with the finished article and work back. Steel beams - First split the loading on the lintel up into two types; you have the dead weight (dead load) bricks, blocks, floors and roofs etc. You can calculate how much the beam will bend (deflection) under this load. Now the bottom of the beam will not be flat but bowed down in the middle. But the dead load tends to be fairly constant, give or take moisture content changes in the materials and so on.. You can allow for this initial defection when taking the ball park first door sizes. Next you calculate what the extra deflection will be when you get say snow on the roof, have a party, fill the house with book cases etc, that is called the live (imposed load) deflection. Now you can add the two deflections together and this gives the overall deflection. Just remember that when say the snow melts the beam will move back up a bit. Let's say you have an opening 4000 mm wide. You can start by saying let's keep the deflection limit under imposed loading to say span / 360 = 4000 / 360 ~= 11.1mm, maybe a bit too much for sensitive doors. Plug this 11.1mm (or a lower value) deflection back into the formula that Mortar gives and this will give you the beam second moment of area, now go to the tables and find a beam with a greater value than this. Next go back and calculate the overall beam deflection under dead + live load, and just as a check do the imposed load only again. Have a look at the figures you get and cross check with the door manufacture's tolerances in terms of deflection, they generally won't be too forgiving. Now you have got a handle on the beam size that you need to control the deflection. The next thing to do it to check that the beam will be safely carry all the loads, these are the "strength checks". Now you are nearly there. It's tempting to stop there as you think.. well I know what I need to allow for beam deflection, I'll just give it a few millimetres for the mastic seal. But mastic is not as compressible as you think when it is thin, you can accidentally transfer load to the tops of the doors, they bend and start to stick. The last part of this jigsaw is to detail the seals / insulation so you avoid transferring load to top of the doors. Cold formed steel "Catnic" type lintels These are a bit of a different animal. Generally they are designed with similar deflection criteria to the above. However, you need to look closely at what is called the "load ratio" A cavity lintel supports the inner and outer leaves. The two leaves have different loadings and this can cause the lintel to twist a bit as well as bowing downwards. if you follow the manufactures guidance (particularly the installation instructions) to the letter then the lintel should be safe. I think the key here is to get the detailing right in terms where and how you allow the beam / cold rolled lintel movement to take place. This is not that easy when you are trying at the same time to prevent cold bridging and so on. With big expensive doors that are not that tolerant to vertical deflection, loading on the top side I would look to start with a lower deflection limit, design the beam for that, detail the vertical movement joint over the doors and see if it looks pleasing to the eye and fits with the insulation detail. All easier said than done as a lot of the aluminium sections are pretty slender these days. If you have steel Universal beams and an expensive glazing system you can put a bit of precamber on the beams. In other words you work out the deflection, pre bend the beam up so that when the load is applied the bottom of the beam is flatter rather than bowed down. It's not that expensive to do on modest sections funnily enough. look at how flat the underside of the beam needs to be.- 15 replies
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What type of piles are you using, size, type, predicted length etc. How big a rig / type do you need? If you can take a step back then you can maybe make progress re temporary work matt design and how you can maybe incorporate this into the final design. Also, have a look to see if / how you may be able to recycle stuff as this can offset the matt cost. As a word of encouragement it may not cost as much as you think, although a bit of a stinger up front.
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Please help! Would you say this drainage stone is clean / washed?
Gus Potter replied to Oxbow16's topic in Building Materials
Good looking stuff. Gravels in particular are washed, crushed rock sometimes, sometimes not. What you have here are often described as single sized aggregates. Yes you have a bit of "dust" (in terms of sieve size when grading aggregates) but I would have no problem accepting the stuff you have in the photos for drainage. I think you are fine, march on and enjoy your project. -
Hi all. Thanks for the positive response, much appreciated. The top manifold with the gate valves is on the flow side. I stuck a 22mm compression stop end on it in case I wanted to flip it round later (made a pigs ear of it), or got a huge bit of gunk in it. There are a couple of stubs pointing down from the hot manifold on top / cold side on the bottom with compression stop ends. These are so I can add another loop later. The five loops you see all serve one room / open plan area. Pipes are 15mm as they are compatible with standard off the shelf kit. I kept the loops to about 50 - 75m in length so that if one fails it's not a massive disaster. Also, I can let the pump tick over so not thrashing it with the noise that comes later when it gets a bit worn. I'm pretty deaf so don't mind but wife still has good hearing! I've got a temporary drain cock down at solum level for now. The next step is to add in more circuits for other rooms, bathroom, hall way etc. I want to use room thermostats so can control the temp of the different areas. I think I might make up a another manifold and start adding two port valves to these , controlled by the room stats. I'm going to get a new combi boiler that will do the hot water, feed the old rads and do the new UF part. Nick - yes I think you are warning that a lot of heat will come off my DIY pipework.. yes but it's going to be in the utility room, we want a pully for drying clothes an so on. Once I box it all in if it gets too hot I'll block up some of the vent holes in the box. Got a gut feeling it will last a while with the odd bit of TLC. Yes looked at a low loss header but was put off by the price.. my house is not that big compared to some of the projects on here... Now to serious matters. Do I put another bank (manifold) above or somewhere else, the new boiler is to go above the filter. I think it would be a good sub commander look if you can have both arms spread, adjusting the knobs while looking at the gas flame through the small combustion port on the boiler (the periscope). One's posture may invite the vulgar here to make adverse comment though. Can you make your project your own? Have a quick glance at Yuri Gargarin in the Vostok, first man in space and so on. That craft has gate valves too. They look like the ones Screwfix used to do before B & Q bought them over. if it was good enough for Yuri then.. potential new look. Watching the US election results so diving onto build hub to make a night of it! Thanks Pro Dave et al for the input. It's not my area of expertise so in a lighthearted note you may want to class me as one of those folk who know just enough to be dangerous / daft
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Hi Dave, Thanks for piling in. I just rigged it up to get a bit of heat. Still need to finish the job. But I just thought I would wing it to get a bit of heat into the place as it's my own house. Would I spec it at work.. not that brave. I'm more on the structures side. Surprisingly to get things kicked off, I just tapped off the radiator flow side with a couple of 15mm pipes using the close coupled tee principle ( I read this on the internet and thought, I|'ll see if it works) and it works fine for a temp supply. Yes, no flow meters, or fancy stuff, it's my own house so I can go "old school" and just face the fact that the UF system is a massive heat sink. Wife said I looked like a submarine commander just adjusting the gate valves, never mind flow meters. Pratically, in a few years time all these gadgets get gummed up, and few folk know how to fix this stuff, hence my Flintstone approach! If part of the floor is a bit too hot I'll just put my hand on the floor, too hot, then turn it down a bit.. Ignorance is bliss.. I may come back on here later asking how do I fix my oak flooring as the UF was too hot!
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Hello Gav_P Ta. Yes the solder fittings are on the manifold part as I know that they leak less if you can do a half decent job of the soldiering. To be honest once I pressurised it there were a couple of leaks in the soldering (I'm an Engineer not a pro Plumber) so it was easy to strip it down and fix the bad joints as I had put in the compression fittings. Can't rememeber the film but there is a quote something like " know you limitations" The compression fittings are so that I can take it apart easily later on when the gate valves fail, get the pump out and so on. I was aiming for stuff I can get from screwfix etc to fix stuff when it goes wrong. I have some boss white...if need be, hopefully I won't need to strip down that often. Saying that I spent a bit extra on an oversize mixer valve as it's onto an old system. Just wish I had spent a bit more on maybe the lay flat UF type pipe. I''ll take another photo later but on the flow side after the filter which is on the flow side I have a 15mm bottle vent valve, then on the return I have a 15mm manual air vent. It's not a work of art I admit and as always on reflection you think, hey, I could have improved on that.
