Nickfromwales Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 2 hours ago, Onoff said: So a microwave meal and the 3 for £5.50 deal from the Co-op? They’re for lunch usually. Away in hotels a lot atm so I choose nice ones where the chef knows how to poach an egg at least Surprising how many don’t !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenki Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 On 05/10/2022 at 09:54, PeterW said: @Thorfun when you are running Hep2O pipe, drill any holes oversize and sleeve with either overflow pipe (21mm) for 15mm pipe or 32mm waste for 22mm pipe runs. It stops you scoring the pipe and creating potential joint weeps. If you’ve got metal web joists you can just zip tie the short sections on to the webs. This also helps reduce annoying squeaks and ticks with expansion and contraction of the pipe. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Jenki said: This also helps reduce annoying squeaks and ticks with expansion and contraction of the pipe. Pipe or anus? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorfun Posted October 13, 2022 Author Share Posted October 13, 2022 (edited) after much deliberating about the 90° access bend on the vertical and whether or not I should change it I decided to leave it alone. it got the thumbs up from @Nickfromwales and, eventually, got a 'should be ok' from @PeterW which is good enough for me! 😉 today I moved on to another bathroom which drops vertically to the comms room and joins the pipe going through the basement wall. I also managed to connect Monday/tuesday's work to it and it all seems to fit together ok so far and seems to be falling at correct levels! as usual, I am very open to comments both positive and negative. the branch for the loo. it will go vertical to the loft where I will fit an AAV. drops down with a boss fitting attached for the shower waste and maybe sink if I can't get the sink to boss above the branch above. down through the block and beam and in to the comms room. and out through the basement wall and the other pipework joining up. I'm happy with it and think it's correct! I know it all needs supporting but it was getting late so I'll do that tomorrow. ps. a quick tag for @pocster to critique so he doesn't feel left out. Edited October 13, 2022 by Thorfun 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 15 minutes ago, Thorfun said: and out through the basement wall So at the bottom of a "long drop" it ends in a branch. That is going to go "splat" that should be a rest bend at the bottom. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorfun Posted October 13, 2022 Author Share Posted October 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, ProDave said: So at the bottom of a "long drop" it ends in a branch. That is going to go "splat" that should be a rest bend at the bottom. the long drop goes in to a 135° bend to offset a bit before hitting the branch. does that make a difference? also, I can't seem to find a Floplast push fit rest bend! and it's been previously suggested to pick a brand and stick to it, especially with push fit as sizes could differ. 😞 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorfun Posted October 13, 2022 Author Share Posted October 13, 2022 11 minutes ago, ProDave said: That is going to go "splat" that should be a rest bend at the bottom. actually, I can't seem to find any sort of 110mm soil pipe rest bend that isn't designated for underground use! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferdinand Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Revisiting this thread briefly, I am delighted I ran away at post 4 on page 1. Play nicely, peeps. 😉 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Punter Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Thorfun said: Plumbing is not my thing but those fittings look like they are in the wrong orientation. I looks like you are doing a below ground design but with above ground fittings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterW Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Yep @ProDave is right and that should have an elbow on it - if you can't get a rest bend then use a pair of 45° bends with a short section of pipe between. I would bring the horizontal tee closer to the wall and then run the stack further out and into the back of it. Where does the WC plumb in on that boss tee..? How close to the boss..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorfun Posted October 13, 2022 Author Share Posted October 13, 2022 18 minutes ago, Mr Punter said: Plumbing is not my thing but those fittings look like they are in the wrong orientation. I looks like you are doing a below ground design but with above ground fittings. you're assuming I have a design! I have little space to run these soil pipes. I've come to the conclusion that our house was designed for aesthetics with not a lot of thought about how everything is going to put in. I have to run soil pipes around MVHR ducts, block and beam, posi-joists and lots of other obstacles that make it hard to do simple runs. hence the number of 135° bends to offset around obstacles. I'm not sure what you mean by wrong orientation though? I'm just trying to get s**t from the toilet branch to the soil pipe through the basement wall! we have 3 bathrooms that will go out through that single outlet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Thorfun said: ps. a quick tag for @pocster to critique so he doesn't feel left out. Any WC etc in basement I.e below drain level ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, Thorfun said: you're assuming I have a design! I have little space to run these soil pipes. I've come to the conclusion that our house was designed for aesthetics with not a lot of thought about how everything is going to put in. I have to run soil pipes around MVHR ducts, block and beam, posi-joists and lots of other obstacles that make it hard to do simple runs. hence the number of 135° bends to offset around obstacles. I'm not sure what you mean by wrong orientation though? I'm just trying to get s**t from the toilet branch to the soil pipe through the basement wall! we have 3 bathrooms that will go out through that single outlet. That was exactly my thought with plumbing . It’s a case of get the soil pipe to where it should go and then everything else to it . Like you with mvhr pipes in the way things can get tight and rather restricted ( creative pipework …. 😁 ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saveasteading Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, Thorfun said: I'm just trying to get s**t from the toilet branch to the soil pipe through the basement At picture 6 i don't think it will flow. Splat as delightfully explained above. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, saveasteading said: At picture 6 i don't think it will flow. Splat as delightfully explained above. Must admit I did wonder this also ( honestly ! ) . So splat and liquid runs off but solid might linger … Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, pocster said: Must admit I did wonder this also ( honestly ! ) . So splat and liquid runs off but solid might linger … The rest bend ensures solids and liquid stay together and flow. If the liquid runs off and the other stuff goes splat it won't carry on flowing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, ProDave said: The rest bend ensures solids and liquid stay together and flow. If the liquid runs off and the other stuff goes splat it won't carry on flowing. Yes . I have swept tee’s for this ( I have no long drops - but would want a nice bend if I did ). On your straight connections @Thorfun I see no swept tee’s which I think @Mr Punter was indicating . Edited October 13, 2022 by pocster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorfun Posted October 13, 2022 Author Share Posted October 13, 2022 9 minutes ago, PeterW said: Yep @ProDave is right and that should have an elbow on it - if you can't get a rest bend then use a pair of 45° bends with a short section of pipe between. if I understand you correctly I think you're saying to put the branch on the horizontal and 90° in to it using 2 x 135° bends? if so, that would mean I would have to run the pipes on the other side of the wall and then bring it through that wall on the horizontal. but there's not a lot of space so it might not work! in the drawing below what I've got at the moment is on the left. is what you're proposing on the right? if so, I might have enough room to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorfun Posted October 13, 2022 Author Share Posted October 13, 2022 28 minutes ago, PeterW said: I would bring the horizontal tee closer to the wall and then run the stack further out and into the back of it. not sure what you mean by this, sorry. 28 minutes ago, PeterW said: Where does the WC plumb in on that boss tee..? How close to the boss..? the WC goes into the branch in this photo. the boss is just below the chipboard flooring for shower waste. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 I’m just ‘liking’ things now 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorfun Posted October 13, 2022 Author Share Posted October 13, 2022 18 minutes ago, pocster said: Any WC etc in basement I.e below drain level ? there is one in the plans. if it ever gets installed I'll use a saniflo to pump it up to the soil pipe in the plant room. somewhere along the run below. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterW Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Thorfun said: not sure what you mean by this, sorry. the WC goes into the branch in this photo. the boss is just below the chipboard flooring for shower waste. If the WC goes direct into the stub itself you may have a problem with distances to the entries for sinks and showers. Have you got a copy of the regs..? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Just now, Thorfun said: there is one in the plans. if it ever gets installed I'll use a saniflo to pump it up to the soil pipe in the plant room. somewhere along the run below. Yes . You have no choice but to use a macerator. Everyone will hate you for it - but you have no choice . Do it and be damned . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorfun Posted October 13, 2022 Author Share Posted October 13, 2022 10 minutes ago, pocster said: Yes . I have swept tee’s for this ( I have no long drops - but would want a nice bend if I did ). On your straight connections @Thorfun I see no swept tee’s which I think @Mr Punter was indicating . if someone could post a link to Floplast push fit swept tees I'll use them! but I couldn't find anything by that name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorfun Posted October 13, 2022 Author Share Posted October 13, 2022 Just now, PeterW said: If the WC goes direct into the stub itself you may have a problem with distances to the entries for sinks and showers. Have you got a copy of the regs..? yes, and I did read them but don't remember seeing anything like that. I'll have another read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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