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So font of all knowledge, what is the answer to your question? You have stated everything its not, those with years of building experience are all wrong. Even these (links below) aren't talking any sense, talking about having consistent temperatures (to stop mould forming), cold walls, allowing moisture to form by condensation, then mould growing. https://www.permagard.co.uk/advice/how-to-remove-mould-from-walls#:~:text=When warm moist air comes,are often the coldest surfaces. https://www.oxford.gov.uk/info/20271/guidance_for_private_tenants/1129/preventing_damp_and_mould#:~:text=Mould is likely to occur,house that is too dry! We are all intrigued to know the answer.
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Reality check Why are you sizing for an on time of 13 hrs. If you run on WC your on time is 24 hrs, but your loading is less during the set back time so your -5 degC DT becomes 20.6degC. 150kWh/d becomes(150/24)*13 = 81.25 spread over 13 hours or 6.25kWh per hour. The night time case is less than that, so no need to calculate. I think you need to go back to basics and calculate the heat demand for your house, use the spreadsheet on here. As I believe the way your are going you are talking yourself in to a much bigger HP than you need. Looks like you need a heat pump near 8kW to me.
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Are you building a house, garden room or something else?
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With Radians comments and Why would you want to increase the UFH flow temp. Your thermostat will be on and off and make things worse. Your making things worse not better.
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I had a similar thing last winter, in that the min turn down of the boiler was above demand, even though I have a buffer there was issues transferring the excess heat to the buffer and way to many thermostats. Made some changes over the winter and summer to improve things. My gas consumption average last Oct was 44kWh per day, this year so far 15/16kWh per day (DHW and heating). First your heat demand kW, I assume are based on the coldest temp (design temp), it is unlikely you are at that temperature yet, so heat demand will be lower. Therefore cause you more issues. @markocosic says you can/should be able to set up the boiler to give weather compensation for the heating and fixed flow temp for the cylinder heating. To get the most out of what you have, you should get both upstairs and downstairs to heat at the same time, as single zone and have as much flow through the whole system all the time as you can, to increase demand on the boiler. It is likely your cycling is what using the gas, that almost exactly what mine did. Not on for enough to to heat everything up, off long enough to cool down. So goes into heating up lots of metal and water without doing much heating. You need to trim the flow temperature of the whole system downwards, so the trv and thermostats are not being made (set them a couple degrees higher than you need ( say 22-23). If individual room are too hot, decrease the flow through the UFH / Radiator loop, if it need to be hotter do the opposite. What you need to achieve, is a heating system that is just heating the room to the temperature you want and no more. Thermostats sound good, but not sure they do you any favours.
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Ali Johnston Ltd, trading as Timber Central based in Nairn (NE Scotland). But go to England etc. They are on facebook. All my Scottish larch came from them, good delivery, price etc. Very flexible on profiles and lengths. They do Douglas Fir and larch.
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With cold connected to the top each time, or at least the blue isolation valve. So not consistent with the original statement
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Last Oct I used an average 44kWh per day, mostly due to short cycling. Fixed that over the summer with some system modes and setting up WC with a few calculations and a bit of fine tuning. House is also very well insulated.
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Bit confused by your photos as the flow meter move from top to bottom rail? No flow normally means air in the loops. Also the manifold being higher than the boiler is encouraging air locks.
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Single zone with weather compensation. With night time setback of a couple of degrees. Have the thermostats set slightly higher than the target room temp of 20, to keep the UFH manifold pump on. Bedrooms temps are 18, set by slowing the flow rate to those rooms. Last year I worked out the how long the floor takes to heat up and set start time and end time of the day time temp around it, so starts at 0230 and at 1830. My current flow temps are around 23 degrees. According to the boiler datasheet, I should be getting around 110% efficiency. Not sure how true that is. Gas usage including DHW is averaging around 15/16kWh a day over the last 10 days in NE Scotland.
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To look after any dips in pressure you could install an accumulator and a check valve upstream. The accumulator would be pressurised when the pressure is high and iron out the dips mostly. 50 or 60 L maybe big enough, other will chip in if I am talking rubbish. 12kW on demand heater, could be costly to run as it would use peak electrical, not off peak and still give a rubbish flow rate. Other option for heating would be an exhaust air heat pump (EAHP) cylinder, a little bigger than an normal cylinder, with heat pump incorporated. Accumulator, EAHP, would gibe you a pressure stable unvented cylinder, with a cheap way of heating it
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Lightning conductor
JohnMo replied to Russell griffiths's topic in General Self Build & DIY Discussion
Metal building is a conductor from roof to ground. A metal roof is top of a building that is generally a conductor on top of and insulator, so the risks are different No ideal if it makes a real difference. Ask your electrician he may know? -
Sound like your spending thousands or a few hundred, to save a few pounds in running costs.
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We have compacted type 1, then crushed lime stone. Any gravel type protects you use, make sure you specify a crushed rock and not sand washed (rounded) pebble. Crushed rock locks its self together, so it compacts and doesn't move much. Anything rounds just moves about and is a complete pain.
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Radiators v Daikin Air Conditioning
JohnMo replied to Digger1's topic in Central Heating (Radiators)
Sorry plumber is making assumptions and is wrong. Modern Air to air heat pumps, or Aircon as it also known, is really efficient. Here is a typical test report. EER is the cooling efficiency and CoP the heating. An EER of 1 is one unit of electricity is equal to one unit of heat, same for CoP. The higher the number the better. You will see a CoP of 7 at +7 degs. 1kWh input would give you 7kWh out. Eurovent-HP-MU2R15-UL0---MJ07PC-NSJ---MJ07PC-NSJ-1661239885-ba-9646a4f3.pdf A normal boiler and radiators has a CoP of around 0.8 or less. -
Replacing a 30 year old gas boiler - options
JohnMo replied to Xerxes991's topic in Boilers & Hot Water Tanks
Just looked at the spec of your old boiler and it has an output of 17.5 to 20.5kW. Make sure what ever you get can modulate down to below these figures, to flexibility in operation. There is also a similar thread a couple of month ago and that says the boiler they selected and had installed. -
Replacing a 30 year old gas boiler - options
JohnMo replied to Xerxes991's topic in Boilers & Hot Water Tanks
Have a look at Screwfix (70+) and others, all seem to have heat only and system boilers suitable for vented or vented systems. Using a combi can work. Not sure of your current heating system setup, but most if not all combis, have a pressurised CH system. -
Do you need to freeze apples to preserve them. I though wrap in paper (discard bruised ones), put in box, put in a dark cool corner, was the way to do it. Certainly was the way to do it when I was growing up (a long time ago)
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First - the process overall should be enjoyable Don't get carried away with room sizes - you can end up with a huge houses. Decide things early and documented on the drawings, ideally before getting any pricing. Any change after the contractor has priced is a cost added - in many cases even a simplification of their scope. The more decisions you can make ahead of starting the build, the less stress during the build. Once you make a decision, don't change - it will cause lots of other hidden changes and snow ball, to more cost and delays Keep it simple, often things get way to complex and can ramp up costly quickly. Don't ask forums questions with open questions, as you will get 1001 answers all different, many not relevant. Do insulate way better than you think you need. Consider thermal bridging early on. Go as airtight as possible. Consider cooling if you have large windows, this can be direct aircon or solar shading externally. Question any large windows on the north face of the building as these are just heat losses - min 4x the heat loss of a wall (high performance triple glazed), generally more. Keep heating system as simple as possible. Do not zone the heating system, 1 zone ideally, a max of 2 zones. This will give your heat source an easy time and work better overall. Well insulated houses have very low heat requirements, many builders and heating companies will use generic formulas to size boilers radiators etc, none of which work with low energy housing. So check things yourself and be aware of your requirements, ask for help when needed.
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Replacing a 30 year old gas boiler - options
JohnMo replied to Xerxes991's topic in Boilers & Hot Water Tanks
Over powered boilers sound great, but you need to be careful of short cycling, which can use loads of extra gas. Not good. Other things to consider is you will be changing from a non condensing (I assume) boiler to a condensing one, which will benefit from lower flow temperatures (return temperature below circa 53 degC), the lower the return temp the better the efficiency. -
No battens under mine, but the membrane has sarking boards below it. Scottish roof design with slate is different from the rest of the UK, due wind loading being higher. Still managed to get just over 3.1kW recorded at the hieght of summer from a 3.1kW system.
