Ed_MK Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Evening all, just had a quote for my scaffolding. Basically for the timber framers to work on and then directly after the roofers ... Its a bitty invoice, all split into sections with various costs. But If I am reading it right it SEEMS to suggest it could cost me (for approx 16 weeks hire) over £7000 !! Am i daft in thinking this is ridiculous ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lizzie Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Thats a lot of bucks! Not able to reclaim Vat on scaffolding either I think. We were lucky managed to sort a deal with someone for a lot less than half that cost ........but we are a single storey...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterW Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Buy it..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 I paid somewhat less than half that to BUY my own. Time it was up was not a constrain then. But not every builder will be happy with that arrangement. Mine is Kwikstage, possibly the most popular of the system scaffold types. Cuplock is anther popular one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexphd1 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Depends on size of house! We bought enough kwikstage for 3k to do 2 normal houses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nod Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 41 minutes ago, Ed_MK said: Evening all, just had a quote for my scaffolding. Basically for the timber framers to work on and then directly after the roofers ... Its a bitty invoice, all split into sections with various costs. But If I am reading it right it SEEMS to suggest it could cost me (for approx 16 weeks hire) over £7000 !! Am i daft in thinking this is ridiculous ? Wow! not sure how big your properties is £15 per mtr is about right though you have to be careful for the time scale i paid 2800 for 15 weeks Then everything striped down Rebuilt to suit render 4 weeks allowed The later is quite important That included three tables no loading bay as I didn’t have a stacker 150 per bay if require my build has a floor area totalling 280 square mtrs Si I’m guessing your build must be considerably larger with a quote of that size Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterW Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 12 minutes ago, nod said: .... I’m guessing your build must be considerably larger with a quote of that size ... Or considerably further south ..!! We’ve turned a job down as it’s just too expensive on all the plant / waste / labour to make anything on it and that’s only between Coventry and Northampton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nod Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 9 minutes ago, PeterW said: Or considerably further south ..!! We’ve turned a job down as it’s just too expensive on all the plant / waste / labour to make anything on it and that’s only between Coventry and Northampton. I would be suprised if Coventry rates are any higher than up here We are only 30 miles from Manchester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Visti Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Buying ones own scaffolding sounds like a solid plan. Used sets looks very affordable. How do folks get it erected however? I take it one still needs a scaffolding contractor with a valid CISRS card? Would they be willing to work on scaffolding not supplied by themselves? How about the weekly checks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nod Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 3 minutes ago, Visti said: Buying ones own scaffolding sounds like a solid plan. Used sets looks very affordable. How do folks get it erected however? I take it one still needs a scaffolding contractor with a valid CISRS card? Would they be willing to work on scaffolding not supplied by themselves? How about the weekly checks? I think you would have to put it up yourself A company wouldn’t get involved we had a HSE visit He had driven past and seen one of the gates held open with a cavity tie I’d to get the contractor down He was pretty p*** d Hi parting words were Anything else remove or altered I’ll take the lot down Its a real minefield I breathed a sigh of relief when it was all gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oz07 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 I thought it was closer to 30 per linear metre per lift? @JSHarris @recoveringacademic Spons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vijay Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 While getting scaffold quotes, I've met what seems like a fantastic scaffolding guy who's moving into the village where my plot is. I'm sure they do MK as it's only down the road if you're interested in his details? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundtuit Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Shop around. My initial quote was > £6k, and I ended up paying about half of that. Watch out for the extra costs for bricklayers adaptations and additional weeks if things overrun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferdinand Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 I do not have much relevant experience except that 1 My dad bought enough Cuplok to do the entire side of a Victorian Mill, then kept part of it for 25 years for use at home. EVen back in the 1980s the savings were huge. 2 The only time I hired scaffolding to have a roof done, it was much cheaper as part of the package. if you have a contractor there throughout that might be an option. Ferdinand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fredd Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 11 hours ago, Ed_MK said: Evening all, just had a quote for my scaffolding. Basically for the timber framers to work on and then directly after the roofers ... Its a bitty invoice, all split into sections with various costs. But If I am reading it right it SEEMS to suggest it could cost me (for approx 16 weeks hire) over £7000 !! Am i daft in thinking this is ridiculous ? you haven't mentioned size, number or lifts, tables for gables etc so a bit hard to quantify. but yes you are being bent over. large 4 bed with 3/4 lifts some tables on site till build is done would be looking at half that figure in the midlands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToughButterCup Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 11 hours ago, Oz07 said: I thought it was closer to 30 per linear metre per lift? @JSHarris @recoveringacademic Spons? Scaffolding is mentioned in SPONS. (2015), but there is scant detail. I suspect it's too job specific to be able to give a set of figures. The best SPONS does is to price scaffold towers at between £3.17 to £7.79 per single or double 'bay' (2m by 7m high) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Harris Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 12 hours ago, Oz07 said: I thought it was closer to 30 per linear metre per lift? @JSHarris @recoveringacademic Spons? That sounds close. We faffed the scaffolders around a bit, as I had to keep getting them back to fix things that one of the guys on site had unbolted/moved. It may well be "normal practice" for people to alter a certified scaffold, but there was no way was going to take that risk, once I knew something had been messed with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 I think we paid just south of £4k (cash) for double story all around, for 16 weeks, with one adjustment. All the other quotes we had were at least several hundred, and in a couple of cases 50%, more. The big thing to watch out for is extra weeks. Some charge nothing, some charge 10%. We got stuffed a bit on this, as we ran over our initial estimate by a few months for various reasons. In the end the guy possibly felt a bit guilty for how much he'd made off us and said we could just keep it for nothing for the last few weeks. I suspected he was happy to just leave it there rather than take it down and store it. Sure enough, when it came time to remove it, it came down on three separate days over nearly a month, presumably as and when he needed it for other jobs. I think in the end we tool the last bit down ourselves and told him he needed to pick it up or we'd leave it by the road. Scaffolders are an interesting breed. Most of the other trades we had onsite weren't complimentary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_MK Posted February 7, 2018 Author Share Posted February 7, 2018 13 hours ago, Visti said: Buying ones own scaffolding sounds like a solid plan. Used sets looks very affordable. How do folks get it erected however? I take it one still needs a scaffolding contractor with a valid CISRS card? Would they be willing to work on scaffolding not supplied by themselves? How about the weekly checks? Ah, yes the weekly checks at £100 + VAT a check I just read the small print on the quote I am going to have to give this a coat of thinking around, as i dont want to upset the council BCO or cross and HSE rubicons Its my fault i didn't check the cost on my initial calculation ...I pencilled it in as £2k and though there would be some slack ! HaHa...now I am trying to hire it ....its a dose of REAL LIFE NUMBERS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney12 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 I got aprox 56 linear meters with 2 lifts + gables for £2,000.00 but it was only for 8 weeks hire. When that timescale "ran out" which it off course did very quickly I negotiated a 5 month extension for £1,500.00. The price included up to 3 adaptions for blockworker, renderer etc. The guy was very diligent and after every storm he was up here the next day to check it off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterW Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Ed_MK said: Ah, yes the weekly checks at £100 + VAT a check I just read the small print on the quote I am going to have to give this a coat of thinking around, as i dont want to upset the council BCO or cross and HSE rubicons Its my fault i didn't check the cost on my initial calculation ...I pencilled it in as £2k and though there would be some slack ! HaHa...now I am trying to hire it ....its a dose of REAL LIFE NUMBERS How much do you actually need ..??? Give us a rough idea and we can help with the numbers. Most self build policies cover scaffolding, and your contractors have their own duty of care to ensure that the scaffold they use is adequate and fit for purpose. I used to check our kwikstage every day, with a sharp tap on every wedge to ensure it’s tight and all the boards are in place. I will be selling mine soon as it’s done me well over 10 months - works out to about £20 a week for 48x16ft all told. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Visti Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 This previous thread covers some good ground on Scaffolding by Self-Builders: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_MK Posted February 7, 2018 Author Share Posted February 7, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, PeterW said: How much do you actually need ..??? Give us a rough idea and we can help with the numbers. Most self build policies cover scaffolding, and your contractors have their own duty of care to ensure that the scaffold they use is adequate and fit for purpose. I used to check our kwikstage every day, with a sharp tap on every wedge to ensure it’s tight and all the boards are in place. I will be selling mine soon as it’s done me well over 10 months - works out to about £20 a week for 48x16ft all told. Well Peter, it is enough to Get the Timber Frame guys up there to put up the Frame and Trusses. I am guessing here ...but from what i can gather its can be 2w-4w (apparently) ..and then directly afterwards the roofers will need it (probably a different config though)...say 2-3 weeks (I have been told) ,,,but I have been advised tha they like to point and flash up a fortnight later ....after it settles ....so make that 5 weeks My house is almost square (if you include the sunroom) 12.5m (the image below may be useful) eek! ...fingers crossed the brickies and renderers bring their own small scaffold PS THIS IS NOT THE COLOUR OF THE RENDER OR BRICK ...just defining the areas It is actually reclaimed brick (or at least aged) and cream coloured render Edited February 7, 2018 by Ed_MK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichS Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 I suspect both the brickies and render chaps will want a scaffold supplied unless agreed otherwise in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_MK Posted February 8, 2018 Author Share Posted February 8, 2018 hmm.. I am just wondering ....Its obvious that the frame builders will need a FULL scaffold and the roofers too,, but the brickies and render guys ...can they work of a hired tower or something ? like this perhaps ? https://www.amazon.co.uk/Gleichlaufend-Aluminium-Portable-Scaffolding-Universal/dp/B00KX8KH6Q I don't want to make anything unsafe ..but obviously don't want a full scaffold rig to hang about due to hire costs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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