craig

Yes it does but it does not show any of the enamelled glass, the shading of the lamination is not required here, what is needed is the positioning of the enamel and where the clear glass is located. The section drawing is a little clearer but lacks installation detail information and the enamel location being shown which should have help their client understand the drawing and detail better imho.

I've never seen this topic before but you are looking to see if any other person see's any ambiquity. I do detailing all day, the images you supplied on page 1 and 2 of this topic are not clear at all, they have not hatched the enamel on the glass unit and they have not defined the clear glass area. To be honest, if that's the drawing from the supplier, it's actually p*** poor. I would have hatched the enamel which clearly defines this area, I would have dimensioned the enamel all round the glass unit, I would have dimensioned the clear glass area to avoid any confusion as well supply an installation detail on fixing. I think the onous is on the supplier, although blame may exist on both sides and the sizes signed off, the supplier are the "experts" in this area.

If it helps, we haven’t made any contingency plans yet. We don’t expect any difficulties immediately unless a no deal brexit occurs. If that does appear to be what will happen, plan B is being looked at both here and with our European suppliers.

I would have but I was trying to be diplomatic about it and objective by looking at it from both sides and without seeing/knowing the exact ins and outs. It would certainly indicate that a new unit is required and the supplier are dragging their heels over the issue.

Was the unit delivered with a twist in the frame? Was the unit delivered with the high spot? Was the delivery of this noted as received with defects? What has the supplier said about the unit? Did the supplier install it or was it a supply only? It could be an installation issue. The fact that it is dropping can be down to a couple of things but the initial suspect is that the hinges are insufficient for the weight. For that size (1200 x 2100?) and with some suppliers, I would be expecting exposed hinging, that are capable of taken 180KG (we call them mammoth hinging). I would be expecting the supplier to address the twist, rise and weight issue.

Widest I have done was 2600 (timber alu) but 3000 is possible height dependent. Wouldn’t recommend driving over the threshold though.

I use gyazo for all my screen captures. It comes with a program for capturing small gif files also, if you subscribe you can view all your captures. If not, its the last 10 or so (i think). 1 click, drag & capture - opens in webpage, save to PC.

If the posts are diving it up then you are looking at 3 seperate units. If the middles is fixed then you could have one slider, it would need to sit in front or behind the oak posts (dependin detail). With the sliding sections at either end sliding over the middle fixed section. Alternatively 2 sliders either end with a fixed window in the middle. Your probably looking at £10/12k.

If part of the bay is fixed it will be cheaper than an opening unit, if it is 90 degrees return on the bay it will be cheaper than other angled returns. Difficult to say price wise, as the actual sizes of the bay itself are not mentioned and what your ideally looking for within the bay. Ballpark, you mentioned slider. Is that to be within the bay? Without slider in bay and saying fixed at 4m with 2x 2m returns and triple glazed timber/alu & 2m height. You could be looking 4k/5k plus.

Today we said our farewells to Thomas, it was a very nice service and we had friends/colleagues/customers from all over the UK and EU attend. The window business is a very small world and representatives from Internorm, Solarlux, Zyle Fenster (Lithuania), EcoAluClad (Ireland) and more attended. Although some are competitors, we are also friends and was nice to see. It was also a rather interesting day with installers, suppliers and manufacturers sitting talking for a good 6 hours after the service on different things. Thought provoking for suppliers and manufacturers on technical aspects/improvements on products for easier deliveries/installation/service etc. It doesn’t happen often and we all went away with ideas. Just unfortunate it was on such a sad occasion. I did the airport runs yesterday and a group went out for a meal last night and Lorraine (Toms wife) attended and had a fantastic evening out. The family appreciates all the kind words as do we at Ecowin. It’s been a tough couple of weeks but projects and work continue. We are pretty much back to business as normal next week and we are making a priority on pending installations and service work. We would like to thank all customers for their patience and understanding over the past couple of weeks.

Thanks for all your comments, condolences and well wishes. I will pass them onto the team and family. It’s been a tough day contacting friends, colleagues, friends within the trades as well as customers past, present and future and it’s not complete yet due to the bank holiday ? @HerbJ it was myself that tried to call to update you and happy to have a chat tomorrow.

That's basically it, not knowing how to use the system causes more call outs due to broken hardware etc. When it's down to incorrect use, it's a chargeable call out and can be expensive for repeated visits and replacement parts.

@Dreadnaught yes, we motorise them, you can also hook them up to a home automation system supplied and connected by others. It’s something you would need to contact us about.

We did a similar design for a house just outside Glasgow for the concealed blind (by others). We also do concealed venetians externally as part of the windows system and have done for some in the UK about to for another.

It’s the other way around in my view, the hardware for operating the window runs down the side of the window sash and frame on fully reversible. I’ve always found turn / tilt (not tilt/turn) to be very simplistic in operation and mechanically sound. Tilt / turn is effectively the same window but is more commonly used in the UK and more awkward to use yet still very simple. It leaves a horrible gap in my view and exposes the operation to the external elements. This can cause the hardware to degrade a lot quicker than it should because of this exposure.

5mm glazing packers, silicone, battens either side, will do the job well. Done similar on a few projects in the past. Just make sure the fixings for the beadings are strong and long enough. It might also be worthwhile to run some compriband between the bead and glass for protection or silicone.

You’ll find the technical drawings here. https://products.idealcombi.com/en/product/futura-plus-sliding-door-with-low-threshold/ From my understanding width and height is certainly an issue. You may find the max sizes here or by giving them a call.

The number one reason as to why sliders will leak or not function properly in my experience - is that they have not been laser levelled and therefor not square / plumb. If a slider is out by 3mm over an expanse of 3 metres plus, it can cause operational difficulties. This "can" have knock on effect in regards to water ingress, I'm not saying that is the issue it's just a possibility to be aware of. The picture above looks like the detail of sliding door systems provided to many manufacturers from Seigena, very good systems. We have experienced similar issues in the past from non Austrian suppliers and replaced the foam pads and sealed it better. In newer models, this is no longer present. A good way to determine where the water is actually penetrating, is the good old fashioned hose test.

Agreed 100%, 20+ years ago - I would have settled something by knocking ten bells out of them (partly due to the rough area I lived in, in Edinburgh.) It's how we resolved things. I then mellowed a rather lot and realised the importance of being able to walk away, not let things bother me in the slightest and generally being a very chilled and relaxed person. It paid dividends.

You know help is available if and when you need it and from many sources, hope things get better (I know they will) - chin up.

Illbruck ME500e with a butyl adhesive will do the job, I would also use Illbruck TP600 around the frame of the window. I would have used llbruck PR007 for the window installation. Looking good though, good job.

Not that I'm aware of, the concealed hinging on tilt and turn windows don't have friction stays.

Unless they have a restrictor fitted, they will swing into the room.

European suppliers such as Internorm who have quoted you and other Austrian / German and amongst others, can and will manage 1500mm - the concealed hinges can handle a fair bit of weight. It's not that it's a size which is to big or to heavy, it's just a large single pane opening into the room. Most suppliers recommend against it for a couple of reason, mainly weight related.

1500? It's a big single pane window, that's about 1300mm opening into the room when you deduct the sides. Have you considered splitting it into two openers? One master tilt/turn one slave turn?