Vijay

Thanks mate, that really helped. What's the advantage of using HEP20 over copper for concealed pipework? Do you still get condensation/have to insulate it?

lol exactly what I was doing today and why I wondered about a ply board behind the valve Do you know if they do elbows, have you come across them? I googled and couldn't see any

Finally got a concealled shower valve suitable for my elderly Mum. I've never fitted one before and it has G 3/4 are these just standard BSP fittings? Are washers needed at all? I've attached a pic of the shower valve and also a quick sketch of the pipe layout I need to do. Also is a pic of the removed brickwork in the party wall. My first question is would it be a neater idea to fix a a ply/OSB panel at the back for the valve to fix to, or just fix the valve straight to the brickword (which I would throw some bonding coat on first to flatten it out). You can see that I need to have elbows/bend to the hot and cold inlet. Would I just use something like this https://www.toolstation.com/made4trade-compression-elbow-male/p33647 with PTFE and/or washers? I'm sure I read on a post where someone used solder fittings (like this https://www.toolstation.com/made4trade-compression-elbow-male/p33647 ) but I can't get my head around how that would work as you'd either need to be able to twist the pipework (or fit it with the valve off the wall?) as I don't think it would be ok to heat the fitting fitted to the valve? Or are there flexible pipes that can be used? My worry is just limiting the compression fittings behind the finished wall. Should the pipework be in 15mm right up to the valve and then just a 22 to 15mm compression reducer in the above fitting? Should any copper pipework in the stud wall (behind the waterprrof panels and tiles) be insulated to stop any condensation?? Thanks for any help Vijay

Personally I think you've hit the nail on the head. People don't contemplate the amout of children they have (eith a ripple effect) with older people living longer - we all need/want more and more with the mass population and the human race is taking every last thing this planet has

just some decorators caulk down it and smooth off

had some cheap ones from Ebay China for a while on the recommendation of another member, very very handy to have if working on your own

I went with Kwikstage and never regretted it

Finally got to a shower valve that my Mum likes and the manufacturer was happy to confim that the valves controls the flow. Crosswater techincal support have been brilliant. Before I hit purchase, any reasons anyone can see that this valve wouldn't be good for the elderly with artritus? https://www.victorianplumbing.co.uk/crosswater-totti-triple-concealed-thermostatic-shower-valve-to2000rc

I heard from a neighbour that the S.Northants palnners have massively improved and my neighbour got permission for something in 5 weeks - so fingers crossed for you Shuff27

Good luck Alfie What part of Northampton are you building? I'm in Roade

yes the same diameter but it will fit into to the seal/clip which is larger

Are any some systems better than others?

Cheers bud

@nod I haven't done any tiling for years and never "back buttered" tiles before but always happy to learn new ways of doing things. What's the logic behind it as surely when you press the tiles down, the notched adhesive spreads to fill gaps?

I never thought of that, good tip mate

Not sure that would be a good idea cos of any maintenance surely?

I assume she's scratch the ceramic/porcelain finish, so maybe something like this might work? https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ronseal-KBTUE-Kitchen-Bathroom-Enamel/dp/B001GUAAQW/ref=asc_df_B001GUAAQW/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=256502455094&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=15255175247868001783&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9045958&hvtargid=pla-426979660982&psc=1 Or maybe https://www.drench.co.uk/p/cramer-professional-scratch-chip-repair-kit?ppc=true&gclid=CjwKCAjwruSHBhAtEiwA_qCppvVTxOUctNEOrE_8mYsIs0t37nGIWIeiAdWMZhxpcEda1uEzcAazyhoCPvoQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

lol it is a stupid way to describe an on/off valve - just call it what it is! I'll run the surface mount past my Mum but I very much doubt she'll want it compared to a concealed

Are you sure you don't work for Hudson Reed! lol this is what they replied: "as you can see from his video , when he first turns the shower on with not doing the full turn , water does come out of it but its not enough to have a shower, this is also dependent on the pressure you have coming to the shower, which is why I suggested that theoretically you should be able to turn it slightly and not get the full amount of water, which is why we recommend they are only supposed to be used as a full on and full off"

Can't download the video to send to them, get sound but no visual Won't they need an account to see this thread??

lol my mind is damaged enough without knowing

Where did you find that video mate? 3 different people replied to me from Hudson Reed and they all the no, the last person saying exactly what I quoted.

Well I checked, double check and tripled check with Hudson Reed, they are adamant that there is no flow control, it is just on off. This was their response "with the cd valves in the products I always advise they are either on or off, theoretically you should be able to turn it slightly and not get the full amount of water, but they are only supposed to used as a full on and full off" So it seams the only ones that say they adjustable flow controls are crosswater

I'm not taking you up on that cos I think you are totally right lol Just spoke to an incredibly helpful guy at Crosswater taps who said that for their 2 outlet, 3 valve units, they all have flow control as they use a pretty standard 1/4 turn ceramic cartridge - exactly what I mentioned earlier, like a bath or basin taps. I told him I'd asked Bristen, Hudson Reed, JTP and Kartell, who all said it's on or off with nothing in between, which confused him why they would say that. All he said is you don't get a massive range of flow adjustment as it's only 1/4 turn, but he said the water pressure will also affect the flow control, as if higher, the range from off to max flow would be greater. The water pressure at Mums house is circa 3 bar, so he said it would give a reasonable flow adjustment.

scrap the Hudson Reed one, they've just said it's either on or off - I've no idea what they mean by accurate flow control then lol that's not even something I want to think about!!!!!!!!!