May 25, 20233 yr I was talking to a friend (Electrian) Hes landed a new job with less hours 8-4 Mon-Fri Which suits him and his young family He’s well qualified with all his electrical certs and fire alarms also He’s working cards in for a multinational electrical contractor with house refurbishment contracts throughout the UK Hes been give a new van and is paid from the moment he leaves home at a rate of £35 per hour He’s on call one weekend per month and get £200 whether he’s called out or not So little incentive to do jobs on the side How much would a one man band have to earn to equal this There’s currently yet another push to stop companies hiring sole traders The last one was scuppered by the 2008 recession This time is different the onus will be put on the companies paying the individuals None of this is good for self builders There seams to be chronic laboure shortages in every industry You just wonder how inflation can ever drop while wages are rising at this rate
May 25, 20233 yr 14 minutes ago, nod said: He's landed a new job with less hours 8-4 Mon-Fri Which suits him and his young family He’s well qualified with all his electrical certs and fire alarms also He’s working cards in for a multinational electrical contractor with house refurbishment contracts throughout the UK He's been give a new van and is paid from the moment he leaves home at a rate of £35 per hour He’s on call one weekend per month and get £200 whether he’s called out or not That's not bad £75K per year, so that is what a one man band would have to clear to equal that.
May 25, 20233 yr My full time job is in Software Engineering, which is a really weird industry when it comes to pay; local companies pay pittance, but companies like Amazon have literally made some Software Engineers millionaires, forgetting about shares for a minute, some engineers on the West Coast of the USA are earning $350,000/yr +. Given the types of companies I have worked for in my career, I've genuinely seen a, nearly, 100x salary range. Mid-level jobs in the UK can still be pushing 6 figures today and there's been an effort recently to try push that down, but with the amount of venture capital money still sloshing around (it's still there, don't believe the media), it's very difficult. Supply and demand.
May 25, 20233 yr My son in law (also spark with all the certs) is 24 and earning similar. I know someone doing a self-build that didn’t heed my advice about getting the trades lined up months ago now can’t get a quote from a plasterer let alone get anyone. I think I’ve solved this for them though. I started a thread last year about self-builds becoming unaffordable for the self-builder who can’t do much of the work themselves. I was chatting to the boss of the company who did my kit erection and if you go down the turnkey route he can’t see folk building a HH for much less than £3300/m2. He told me he’s lost money on ours. 86 man days so far and I stopped them from doing the coom walls upstairs as it made the airtight barrier too hard to fit.
May 25, 20233 yr Well over the going rates for an employee https://www.jib.org.uk/documents/publications/182-final-jib-industrial-determination-2022-2023-7-7-21.pdf
May 25, 20233 yr 51 minutes ago, nod said: ... There seams to be chronic laboure shortages in every industry ... Brexit.
May 25, 20233 yr 11 minutes ago, TonyT said: Well over the going rates for an employee https://www.jib.org.uk/documents/publications/182-final-jib-industrial-determination-2022-2023-7-7-21.pdf 5 July 2021 is the date they came with those numbers. There’s a massive disconnect between bodies setting rates of pay and companies competing for skilled people.
May 25, 20233 yr When I last had a "proper job" earning enough to pay higher rate tax, the hourly rate if you worked it out was a mere £15 per hour. But that was 20 years ago. I've been a sole trader for 20 years now, and now charge £30 per hour which some will say is high others will say it's low depending where you are . I only ever did a little sub contract work on sites, not for me. I just work direct for my clients far simpler. I don't see why companies not employing sole traders should make a shortage of sole traders for self builders to hire?
May 25, 20233 yr 56 minutes ago, Kelvin said: My son in law (also spark with all the certs) is 24 and earning similar. I know someone doing a self-build that didn’t heed my advice about getting the trades lined up months ago now can’t get a quote from a plasterer let alone get anyone. I think I’ve solved this for them though. I started a thread last year about self-builds becoming unaffordable for the self-builder who can’t do much of the work themselves. I was chatting to the boss of the company who did my kit erection and if you go down the turnkey route he can’t see folk building a HH for much less than £3300/m2. He told me he’s lost money on ours. 86 man days so far and I stopped them from doing the coom walls upstairs as it made the airtight barrier too hard to fit. yep anything other than brick and block is crazy expensive due to limited and dodgy companies who provide them. Avoid like the plague.
May 25, 20233 yr from our QS, these are the rates local to use they used. Not far off i don't think, i never pay day rate though so it doesn't really matter. The QS states what the cost should be so easy to see if your being had over.
May 25, 20233 yr @Dave JonesWhere abouts in the country are those rates? Here in Cheshire/Sth Manchester they would be very low! You can add another 10 to 25% to some of those here. Edited May 25, 20233 yr by Happy Valley
May 25, 20233 yr 1 hour ago, jayc89 said: My full time job is in Software Engineering, which is a really weird industry when it comes to pay; local companies pay pittance, but companies like Amazon have literally made some Software Engineers millionaires, forgetting about shares for a minute, some engineers on the West Coast of the USA are earning $350,000/yr +. Given the types of companies I have worked for in my career, I've genuinely seen a, nearly, 100x salary range. Mid-level jobs in the UK can still be pushing 6 figures today and there's been an effort recently to try push that down, but with the amount of venture capital money still sloshing around (it's still there, don't believe the media), it's very difficult. Snap. As another UK based software engineer I end up so jealous of the US west coast engineers, for whom money flows in. Mind you living in the USA helps too. I've also chosen not to do the London grind any longer and settled for a mid-5 figures salary. If I wanted to go back to commuting and working for a $Bank then I'd expect low 6 figures but prefer the life of a consultant with smaller clients.
May 25, 20233 yr 4 hours ago, Dave Jones said: from our QS, these are the rates local to use they used. Not far off i don't think, i never pay day rate though so it doesn't really matter. The QS states what the cost should be so easy to see if your being had over. No way I can get a plumber onsite for a day for £210 around my way. Are they really only £30 a day more than a painter?
May 25, 20233 yr 11 minutes ago, pocster said: Guys ! I will help you ALL out . I can do any trade you like for £500 a day . I’m currently helping @Thorfun out as a consultant on a suspended ceiling .
May 25, 20233 yr 1 minute ago, pocster said: I’m currently helping @Thorfun out as a consultant on a suspended ceiling . and doing a brilliant job
May 25, 20233 yr 1 minute ago, Thorfun said: and doing a brilliant job Yes ! You’ve ignored my advice . None the less payment is still expected as detailed in the T & C ‘s
May 25, 20233 yr 53 minutes ago, jack said: No way I can get a plumber onsite for a day for £210 around my way. Are they really only £30 a day more than a painter? this is labour rates for pricing a job not an odd day here and there.
May 25, 20233 yr 20 minutes ago, pocster said: Yes ! You’ve ignored my advice . None the less payment is still expected as detailed in the T & C ‘s it's in the post
May 25, 20233 yr 16 minutes ago, Dave Jones said: this is labour rates for pricing a job not an odd day here and there. Makes sense a longer job price would be lower than a one-off day, but are plumbers really still £30 a day less than painters?
May 25, 20233 yr 1 hour ago, pocster said: Guys ! I will help you ALL out . I can do any trade you like for £500 a day Rough trade! 😉
May 25, 20233 yr 1 hour ago, pocster said: I will help you ALL out . I can do any trade you like for £50 a day . Need a bog cleaner. Long hours, but as much heroin as you can handle.
May 25, 20233 yr 8 minutes ago, SteamyTea said: but as much heroin as you can handle. That's not to be be sniffed at! Edited May 25, 20233 yr by Onoff
May 25, 20233 yr When the war in Ukraine ends there will be massive rebuilding there. I reckon there will be a big shortage of trades in Europe.
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