Dreadnaught Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 Scratching my head about what to get on with now that the World has stopped. My timber frame and foundations are being designed as I write. All well there. The council, slow even before Covid-19, has basically now stopped altogether so my submission for discharging-of-planning-conditions has not even been validated after a week. And I don't have permission to start anything as some of the conditions were prior-to-commencement-style conditions. What about digging the service trenches in the access road? It is an ideal time with no traffic. It is a 40-metre water pipe. And two sewer connections (storm and foul). Can I at least get on with those? By the way, is trenching in the access road any concern of building control? The access road is not my property and is not an adopted road. Its not owned by anyone. (I have not appointed building control as yet as I haven't got my building regs drawings.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nod Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 I think you pretty much stuck with clearing trees and fencing off Outs was pretty clear Don’t break ground n No heavy equipment on site 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreadnaught Posted March 27, 2020 Author Share Posted March 27, 2020 Thanks @nod. Could I work offsite in my access road? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Dreadnaught said: Thanks @nod. Could I work offsite in my access road? frankly as long as your neighbours are on board I don’t see why not, I would as long as at each end the depth etc can be seen by BC to comply. I feel for you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterW Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 Foul will need your sewerage providers to give permission and to inspect if it’s being adopted. Some are slowing work to essential only. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nod Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 6 minutes ago, Dreadnaught said: Thanks @nod. Could I work offsite in my access road? Yes it’s a real pain looking at the jobs you could be doing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreadnaught Posted March 27, 2020 Author Share Posted March 27, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, PeterW said: Foul will need your sewerage providers to give permission and to inspect if it’s being adopted. Good point. I got the formal drain-connection approval yesterday from Anglian Water. And then they called me with the usual customer-satisfaction call so I took the opportunity to quiz the guy. He said they are working on five-days notice at the moment. I think I might try and get the water pipe put in. That's disruptive for everyone else using the access road and, I assume, does not need any inspections or permissions. I am in contact with a digger driver who may be willing to do the work. If only I can buy 100 metres of 32mm water pipe with all the builders merchants being closed. (I have the water connection quote from Cambridge Water but that is not in the access road, it is down in the public road, and which I assume can be connected later). Edited March 27, 2020 by Dreadnaught Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, Dreadnaught said: I think I might try and get the water pipe put in. That's disruptive for everyone else using the access road and, I assume, does not need any inspections or permissions. I am in contact with a digger driver who may be willing to do the work. If only I can buy 100 metres of 32mm water pipe with all the builders merchants being closed. (I have the water connection quote from Cambridge Water but that is not in the access road, it is down in the public road, and which I assume can be connected later). It would for Scottish Water who would expect to do a track inspection before they will make the connection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nod Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 Could I just add We had a one and a half story building to demolish We asked if we could strip the slates off prior to demolition He just said you can nick the whole building down as long as you do it by hand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreadnaught Posted March 27, 2020 Author Share Posted March 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, nod said: Could I just add We had a one and a half story building to demolish We asked if we could strip the slates off prior to demolition He just said you can nick the whole building down as long as you do it by hand Was that building control who said that? Or the local council planning dept for the planning conditions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temp Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 Take loads of photos showing the water pipe before covering it just in case water co needs to see them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nod Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 17 minutes ago, Dreadnaught said: Was that building control who said that? Or the local council planning dept for the planning conditions? It was local planners I thought we where going to have to dig some test holes also I pointed out that we couldn’t dig these by hand They said bring heavy equipment on to do this Then take it off We cut more than thirty large trees down also Prior to commencement BC don’t care about any of this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreadnaught Posted March 27, 2020 Author Share Posted March 27, 2020 Just reading my Cambridge Water docs that they sent with the water-supply connection quote. Seems that I do need them to inspect the water pipe before closing the trench. I wonder if they are doing inspections in these strange times. I will ask them. As @Temp suggests, maybe loads of photos will do just as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreadnaught Posted March 27, 2020 Author Share Posted March 27, 2020 By the way, I am looking at sourcing 100m of pipe. Online provider says they are still delivering with a 2-day lead time. Amazed at the price difference between 32mm and 63mm. £90 vs £350 for 100m. Worth upgrading to 63mm with that price difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 14 minutes ago, Temp said: Take loads of photos showing the water pipe before covering it just in case water co needs to see them. With a tape measure to indicate the depth of the pipe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottishjohn Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 2 hours ago, Dreadnaught said: By the way, I am looking at sourcing 100m of pipe. Online provider says they are still delivering with a 2-day lead time. Amazed at the price difference between 32mm and 63mm. £90 vs £350 for 100m. Worth upgrading to 63mm with that price difference? not if you never going to need it --which if one ohuse you will not and if you build another the water board will want it to have its own suppy -not joined on to yours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Punter Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 2 hours ago, Dreadnaught said: Amazed at the price difference between 32mm and 63mm. £90 vs £350 for 100m. Worth upgrading to 63mm with that price difference? The fittings and meter cost loads more for 63mm. Is it for a sprinkler? If not, stick with 32mm. The 63mm can also be a wrestle to install, especially on a cold day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 The standing charge is usually more for 63m too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Harris Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 Quick calculation shows that the head loss on a 100m length of 32mm MDPE, that has two check valves, and two ball valves in line will be around 0.16 bar at a flow rate of 20 litres/minute. Not worth worrying about, as a normal shower is usually around have that flow rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterW Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 63mm is pointless for a single dwelling. 32mm is fine for that distance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpmiller Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 We've heading for a kilometre of 32mm off the road down to the house and there's no problem whatsoever with flow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stones Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 3 hours ago, ProDave said: With a tape measure to indicate the depth of the pipe. A couple of inspection pipes, i.e. cut some sections of drain pipe, sit on top of your water pipe and back fill around, let's an inspector check the depth of the water pipe him/herself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell griffiths Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 I have viewed your site on google earth so have a fair idea as to what you are proposing. But, if you trench down the access road towards the public road but don’t intend getting it connected at the same time how are you going to leave the end of the pipe. You surely can’t leave it poking out of the ground waiting for a connection, won’t it be a hazard to pedestrians or traffic obviously I don’t know the exact location of the connection, but I would have thought you would need to connect at the same time as you trench and backfill, unless you stick it in a duct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreadnaught Posted March 27, 2020 Author Share Posted March 27, 2020 Thanks chaps. Super! 32mm is is then, not 63mm. No, no sprinklers @Mr Punter just a supply for a normal bungalow. Good idea @Stones (like the new avatar by the way!). @Russell griffiths thanks, appreciated! I was assuming that the blue 32mm MDPE pipe would left capped and buried under ground ready to be rediscovered when Cambridge Water do their excavation and connection to the mains. But to be honest I am just making it up as I go along. Don't really know what I'm doing and certainly never done anything like this before! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell griffiths Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Dreadnaught said: Thanks chaps. Super! 32mm is is then, not 63mm. No, no sprinklers @Mr Punter just a supply for a normal bungalow. Good idea @Stones (like the new avatar by the way!). @Russell griffiths thanks, appreciated! I was assuming that the blue 32mm MDPE pipe would left capped and buried under ground ready to be rediscovered when Cambridge Water do their excavation and connection to the mains. But to be honest I am just making it up as I go along. Don't really know what I'm doing and certainly never done anything like this before! Ooh, that sounds dodgy, are you going to dig right down and up to their main. 1, what if you bury your pipe and you haven’t left enough slack to connect ?? 2, I would be concerned about digging that close to their main, what if you damage it you normally bury your pipe and leave a 1m piece sticking up so they can trim it back and connect it. Did you get a price price for them to do that bit down the access road. How owe do you intend cutting your trench in the access road, isn’t it concrete or do I have a poor memory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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