Crofter

I think a decent filter would be a necessity. My DIY one was going to be longer and use copper. But I wouldn't be able to have the corrugated pipe surfaces. Edit to add: surely copper is adequately long lived, unless you're planning on showering in salt water or battery acid??

That's pretty much exactly what I was thinking of building. Thanks for the headsup on the website by the way- they have some interesting products. I've just emailed them about their single room heat recovery unit, which could be just the ticket for my wee house.

Don't forget to tile your bathroom with PV panels while you're at it...

When I looked into this there seemed to be two approaches- a vertical pipe where the outgoing water swirls down the walls, and a spiral tube underneath the shower tray. Which sounds like a good way of getting cold feet, IMHO. I have contemplated building something akin to a conventional heat exchanger- basically copying what a marine diesel engine has- using microbore copper piping. There would need to be a good filter and a high level overflow, and cleaning hair out of the filter would probably be a daily task.

Never knew that, but it does make sense, thanks. I would be ventilating a single 600mm wide strip of the void, from floor to ceiling, immediately behind the stove and flue. Ventilation would be to the room only. Not sure what the neatest way of achieving that would be, though.

I'm planning on using 12mm cement board instead of plasterboard, and behind that will be the service void, 25mm deep. However this will be faced with the plastic vapour barrier, so I'm a bit worried that a slight crease or fold in this would allow it to contact the rear of the cement board. Would it be prudent to use some 6mm cement board over the top of the vapour barrier? And should I be thinking about ventilating the service void in this area to help prevent heat buildup?

Yes I'm not looking to have the wall look any different to everywhere else. I think having a big feature would look too cluttered in such a small space. I'm not going to have a whole heap of choice available between my two local BMs. Probably need to go on and see exactly what they've got, and then look it up.

Twin wall is insulated so depending on the exact brand you can have it within 50-60mm of combustibles. Just check what the manufacturer says. Single wall is a different beast, you need 3x the diameter as clearance. A non combustible material can be only half that distance, provided it has an air gap behind it. My first stove was only 4" flue, and it was rated at 5kw. But then again it was a multifuel and much lower efficiency, so the flue temp would have been higher, which will help the draw. My impression of the Burley is that it is designed by people who know what they are doing, and I wouldn't want to mess with their instructions. The downside of the high efficiency is a colder flue, so that's probably why it needs the extra cross section.

Thanks! The flue components arrived today, a combination of single and twin wall. There is a school of thought it's best to carry the twin wall all the way down to the appliance, but with such a tiny stove that would have looked a bit odd. As soon as I've got the stove up and running, I'll be able to use the space for band practises

I've done a bit of reading on this, with the notion that I would like to build a DIY version using copper tubing. To do it according to regs you need to have so much separation between the ingoing/outgoing flows that heat exchanger efficiency suffers. The reasoning for this is to prevent the dirty outgoing water from contaminating the clean supply. You're correct in identifying that a different approach works for showers vs baths. For my own use, I would be looking to give an instant boost to the incoming supply to a shower, which necessitates a heat exchanger rather than a tank.

After some online research I've decided to use a cement based backer board instead of plasterboard for the wall behind my woodburner, for increased fire protection. I had assumed that hardiebacker was the only game in town but the different BMs I've phoned have offered me 'multi pro' or 'aquapanel' instead. Is there any difference in the fire rating of these boards? And is there any other material that might be better for the job? Thanks

Guilty m'lud... although the systems are sized for 150m2 as a minimum, so there should be economies of scale to be had.

My MVHR quotes have been well under £1k, so it will cost less than my woodburning stove. Worth it for good air quality, IMHO.

What are the building regs for putting a habitable room above a garage?

My little house is too small to need a proper heating system, so in addition to the woodburner the plan is simply to have a couple of wall mounted panel heaters for easy, convenient, and responsive heating. As a holiday let, it might lie empty for periods of time so a fast response is going to be handy for those last minute bookings. I'm just wondering how much more it might cost to use underfloor electric heating mats instead? It would certainly be a neater look. From the little bit of reading I've done, it seems that you need special insulating boards underneath the mats, which will add to the cost. I've got 300mm of rockwool under the floor, and 22mm chipboard flooring on top of that. I'm planning on laying bamboo as the final floor covering.

I was about to write 'time flies by with too little progress to show for it' and then realised that was exactly what I said last time! Anyway, since the last update, I have battened out the walls and fitted the first layer of larch cladding on the gables. There was a fair bit of head scratching and working out how the detailing around the windows etc was going to work out before I could get on with the battens. The larch also had to be treated with preservative oil- this will be an ongoing task but it should help keep the wood from looking faded and neglected (even though I gather that look is fashionable for some reason). Another overly time consuming task has been the detailing around the fascia and soffit boards. These things are very easy to draw up on Sketchup but in real life it is much harder to ensure that things are square and level. What I have ended up doing is making up the four barge boards and fitting these, then running string lines between them. I have no idea if this is normal practice but it at least ensures that these highly visible parts of the roof line are symmetrical and match up with each other. On the roof, the battens are ready for the arrival of the corrugated steel sheeting- unfortunately I wasted time chasing some tantalising prices from suppliers further south, which fell down due to delivery costs, and when I eventually ordered from my local BM I was into the Christmas shut down period. Inside the house, I am absolutely delighted to be able to say that ALL of the insulation is complete now. I have 150mm rockwool between rafters and studs, and 50mm of Kingspan over the studs, with 100mm over the rafters. Today's job is to take advantage of the howling gale outside to identify any leakage paths and finish the foaming up between the boards. A tedious task but one that should help me achieve a high airtightness level. The vapour barrier will then go on top to provide the final airtight layer. I have also taken delivery of my stove- a Burley Springdale 3kw model. This is the third woodburner that I have bought (I installed one ine ach of my previous two houses) and it is a real step up in terms of design and built quality. The stove is 100% room sealed, with a single intake that draws from an external duct. The firebox is fully lined in vermiculite blocks, even on the top and bottom, to ensure the hottest and therefore most efficient burn possible. Finally, a stainless steel mesh at the top of the stove acts as a soot catcher to burn off any particulates. It's an impressive piece of kit and I can't wait to get it fired up.

I'm not sure but I think BCF is a mild abrasive/polish. Oxalic acid powder can be bought cheaply on eBay. Try something gentler first though...

If it's mud/dirt, make sure they're nice and dry and try just scraping it off. If you go with wire wool, best to use stainless in case any fragments get left behind. Any actual stains may be treated carefully with oxalic acid, which bleaches out dark spots, but it's a bit of a nuclear option, as of course is sanding.

Another bump. Had a good quote from Boulder for an all in system (90% efficiency, automatic controller working off humidity and/or temp, CO2 etc) with auto bypass. BUT the power consumption seems higher than I'd expected, at 50-60w. That should work out to around £50 a year so it's not exactly a deal breaker, but just curious to see how this compares to other systems? (I've been loking at single room units that draw 2w so a thirty-fold increase in consumption wa a bit higher than I'd expected)

Yes, you want to box in around the base of the caravan to help stop wind scrubbing and taking away all your precious heat. Something like sarking timber would be perfect for this, I've also seen people scavenge some concrete blocks if they have them on site already. I've spent a fair bit of time living on my boat, and a caravan would be pretty luxurious compared to that. Especially if y have mains electricity and can whack on a bit of heating and maybe a dehumidifier. Prodave is spot on about condensation though- try not to leave things packed away at the back of cupboards where it will get damp. On the boat, we've used those vaccum bags for clothes storage, where you suck all the air out with a hoover. Saves spacea nd stops them from getting damp.

Good installation! What type/size of stove is that? Looks dinky

Not done this myself but have extensively researched fitting a stove to my boat, and have seen several installations in both boats and caravans (although I ended up going for a diesel drip feed heater instead). You will need a *very* small stove- 4kW maximum probably. Normal considerations about distance to combustibles will apply, but due to space restrictions you will probably need to install heat shielding- this can be simply a plate of thin metal with an airspace behind it, which you use to protect the wall behind the stove and flue. At the roof, a 'dektite' silicone flashing will keep the rain out. Don't skimp on the length of the flue, most stoves want 4m+ so a lot of this is going to be above the caravan roof.

Thanks all. My main concern is about the building sitting at the vapour barrier stage for a while and it becoming an uncomfortable environment. I may well find that simply leaving a window cracked open will provide sufficient ventilation, of course. The attraction of the single room unit over a dehumidifier is that I would have a use for it afterwards. And it would be interesting to get my hands on one and thereby be able to make an informed decisin about multiple SRHRV vs centralised MVHR. I presume the central unit wins out in noise and over efficacy, but as I mentioned on another thread nobody is making decent high efficiency ones for houses the size of mine.

Bit of a double question here. Does anybody have experience of those single room heat recovery units, e.g. the HR25 from Vent Axia? I've read Damon HD's comments about it on GBF, and you see them come up on eBay from time to time for about £100 or so. What I'm toying with is getting one of these units, ostensibly to install in the bathroom of my existing house, which has no extractor fan at present and a single glazed window which is perpetually running with condensation. However my new build is at the vapour barrier stage and I could 'borrow' the unit to temporarily install and help tackle condensation within the shell. At only 43m2 it is not far outside the rated capacity of one of these units. Once I am ready to install the proper multi-room ducted system, I can whip out the single room unit and put it in my bathroom (OK, put it in a box in the loft for a few months till I get round to it!). A final thought: would it be stupid to kit out the new house with two or three of these little units? It is very tempting indeed, as it saves running ducts everywhere and would work out much cheaper. It would require one in the kitchen/lounge, one in the shower room, and one in the bedroom. Mostly worried about noise, aesthetics, and any performance issues if they try to 'fight' each other.

Can't be faffed with registering to read the whole article, but just wanted to ask- what sort of tax break are they talking about, that doesn't already apply to new builds?