Nickfromwales

If it’s just a veranda and not a heated space, then the regs are only really about safety eg should the glass break and fall on to someone. DG would be required to keep the heat in, if it was a part of the living space. As you already are going toughened that box is ticked, but I’d not go for less than 8mm glass at that size, and for robustness I’d probably go for 10mm to be safe. 6mm is too thin afaic, as the panel is laying nearly flat so is already fighting gravity / its own weight. Cost doesn’t go up that much for single panes of glass, it’s just bit of an uplift to get them toughened after cutting. Seems pointless to do DG units but they would reduce the noise of rain getting through to the underside, if that is of any importance? @craig any regs on thickness of a flat-ish glazed single roof panel in a veranda?

If it’s going to be a number of weeks or months then lose the tenner and dose with inhibitor immediately. You’d be surprised how quickly the new fresh oxygenated water kicks off the corrosion process again.

Chin up fella. What keeps me going is the FACT that there’s others out there who are far worse off, and that puts my problems into perspective pdq.

Let's not derail this thread please.

All in hand By keeping on....keeping on. Time for another winky-emoji...

Two separate subjects. Donations are made, not forced. Advice offered by PM is non-contractual and based on goodwill in equal measures. FWIW, some members on here have taken the piss out of me royally, now since departed (booted off) and had to be relegated to the sin bin of "disingenuous bottom-feeders". They now reside in the best of company, at the bottom. Members time here is offered up, and given, regardless; donations offered (then not always made) would not be subject to enforcement action by bailiffs It should be noted, however, that if you offer me a beer I will hunt you down.

Cracking idea. The Suffolk Meet Up Posse are currently thriving. Such a shame that Wales has a population of 1........

This is an ever-evolving banquet; new isn't new, by the time folk get planning permission new is out of date!! Laziness (and convenience seekers) has no cure. Buildhub is here for those who seek to find better advice and maximise on every opportunity that they have. FB is full of randoms, shooting fish in a barrel without challenge. Horseshit on toast, served in abundance. No you don't. You're completely confused. But lets talk about it

Let me know and I'll supply the sausage rolls and pink donuts from Greggs. He likes those, but don't tell his missus

You wouldn't drop it twice

And herein lies the problem folks. If they think they can pass the buck, or dodge a bullet, well......... However, if it's entered in early as a part of the remit, then they know they have to do it or not get paid.

Quite a sobering thread this tbf. I was not aware that this grinds folk down quite as much as it seems to, the old "self-build" malarkey....... I use BH to shed my brain of the excess energy floating around between my ears, quite bad ADHD etc, and an interest shared here and on eBuild, our home before Buildhub, where it's just nice to see and hear people ask questions and then have us lot intervene so they then don't have things go "tits-up". I'ts nice to have a hand in the prevention of such events. For any folk who are a bit befuddled or overwhelmed and want to get off the starting blocks with their projects, if this helps, I'm happy to do so some 30 mins Teams / phone chats FOC. I can offer advice for groundworks / substructures / superstructures, insulation and airtightness, right through to fenestration, roof and solar etc, or ask me which ASHP or MVHR is the best one to go for etc. 60 min chats not a prob, with maybe members then offering up a small donation to the Buildhub coffers for our annual running costs or whatever. Buildhub is a free-to-join forum that is completely volunteer run and operated, and is not for profit btw. Without donations, it would not exist. I cover pretty much A-Z, so quite comprehensive, and if anyone is interested just ping me a PM and I'll slot you in when I'm between doing other stuff I imagine it'll be like a really coarse, Welsh AI lol. The caveat is, it'll be offered to contributing members only, so no piss-takers need apply IIRC @ETC offers up a bit of selfless support here and there, so it's not uncommon for good folk on here to give up their time to give struggling members an occasional leg-up. I'm sure a few other regulars help, such as @craig, other maybe going unsung so sorry if I missed anyone also deserving of a mention here. "Long live the Hub".

...is the one you will set out in writing, before any repairs are entered into, so they know beforehand that they can't cut any corners here. Fail to prepare......

Can I nominate a pub in South Wales? Preferably one I can walk home pissed from.

Is that tape and joint or proper wet plaster? Looks like tape joints and those crappy paper vs metal beads on the corners and edges.

Best to yank the band aid off and state that you’re not willing to accept substandard work, much as they wouldn’t accept you paying them short on a Friday

@jfb May be a good idea to add a TF1 mag filter.

Yup. 👍. We used to keep the worst ones, usually those off coal setups, where you literally can’t see through a 6” piece of pipe with the T in the middle of it. It was hard work to get a screwdriver through some of them. Heat only systems suck imho, and its system boiler / sealed and pressurised all the way these days. Just done a big job for another member here, and their brand new WB heat only boiler was a total PITA to purge and get going again. The only thing I didn’t touch was the biggest arse to sort out when recommissioning the UVC and heating etc. All the components (pumps / differential bypass / motorised vales / expansion vessel and top up loop etc) strewn throughout the locality up the attic….just WHY?!?! when a system boiler conversion would have been a doddle and deleted most of that 6m of gas pipe, and one lonely (broken) clip was their offering to secure said gas pipe. The only thing otherwise securing the gas run was the nut and olive on the jig of the boiler 😮. Embarrassingly shite work. All sorted now thank feck. I love attics, me.

All part of the service, ma’am. 🤝

@Mr Blobby You need to get the slab fully grouted and fully filled, and get this so there is nowhere for the screed to disappear down or in to. You mention your lively plastered walls, but seriously? Nobody’s going to expect you to pour a liquid upstairs that ends up downstairs. This worries the deck out of me to hear you say that. Time to stop the ambiguity mate, and grab this by the balls. If you’ve builders around, or not, all that needs doing is to make up a semi-dry mix of 6:1 sand/cement, get a gauger trowel and a pointing trowel, and get filling in every single nook and cranny. A wet sponge can then be used to work the last of the mix into a filling paste, that you then ram into any remaining cracks / voids etc where wall meets slab and so on. Get this right, and you’ll be fine and ready for the pour. Use foam perimeter skirting (insulation if you will) to run around the entirety of walls to give some expansion relief. Choose the one with the polythene skirt, and the weight of the screed pouring out over this actually creates the seal. As for anyone’s thoughts on which BS insulation layer to waste money on……”none”. Just get the slab mopped and near saturated with 50/50 SBR/water with a janitors mop immediately before the pour and crack on; this removes or locks in any contamination or debris and allows the slab to be primed and cleaned so it adheres well. Give me a buzz if you want to chat

There should be at least a manual air bleed then? How hard have you hunted for one?

Another big issue with gravity arrangements is that the T blocks up with crud where the F&E (small plastic “Feed and Expansion” tank in the attic) T’s into the heating system. This prevents the feed water topping the system back up, but the tank stays full and you don’t think there’s an issue with it filling itself up ‘automatically’. Every single time I did “old to new” conversions, someone was tasked with popping as many floorboards as was necessary to find the T in question, and every single one got cut out, and replaced with a straight section of new pipe (lazy plumbers just cap the 15mm pipe off and bin the F&E tank ( @SimonD will know what state these get into ). The F&E tank can be full to look at, but be sat there not actually feeding back into the system, so the entire first floor of rads would often be less than half full of water and doing diddly-squat as no new ‘feed’ water getting into the system as needed. It doesn’t take much of a blockage to stop this. Seeing as this thread was just moving sideways, the next thing to do is reverse fill the system and then I think we’ll get some results. As the system refuses to get itself going after the pump change, and the topology makes me think it should, then this is what I think is going on. @jfb, you will need to get a hose on an outside tap and bring it inside. Q: can you find a drain off cock down as low in the system as possible. Let us see a pic of the pumps and motorised valves etc, wide angled if possible so we can see the pipework etc, and under the pump or near one of the downstairs rads is where you should find a drain off. You need a +1 and a +2 ideally for the reverse full up btw, so bribe a mate with beer and send them up the attic with a torch. They need to monitor that tank without deviation. Put the hose onto the drain off and use a suitably sized jubilee / hose clip to secure it on tight as feck. You do not want this coming off ‘mid whoosh’, ask me how I first found this out…… So. Once the hose is on, and you’ve secured it, and it’s connected to the outside tap (or a mains cold washing machine tap) you now have the mother of all balancing acts to perform. You will need to open the outside tap just a half turn or so, so you can see the hose filling with water pressure. It’s not advisable to let this fully equalise with the cold mains as that’s when the hose and clip are going to want to shoot off. The idea is to get this to have more ‘head’ / pressure than the heating system. This is usually noted when the hose on the drain off starts to swell up and start to look like it is about to go pop. Then you open the drain off cock and let cold mains enter the system from the bottom up. Now the fun begins. Have the heating turned on and running, so the motorised valve is energised and open, and the pump is running on its highest setting. You then need to have the attic victim on high alert. You will be back filling the system so the thing to go wrong here is to be filling up the system unaware that the F&E tank is now about to overflow and puke out into the attic. This balancing act is controlled by attic person and hose / outside tap person being on their phones all the way through this purge process, so the moment the F&E tank starts to fill up, the person on the outside tap can speed up or slow down to stop the F&E tank overflowing. It’s fine for the water to get up to the overflow and some escape down it, but this needs to be”live communications” for obvs reasons. If it gets to the overflow, tap person shuts off the cold mains and stands by. Now rope the wife in. Whilst this is going on, you need to vent the rads on the first floor and see if they start letting air out. If the F&E tank T is blocked, then you may not see the water level begin to rise in the tank immediately, so be prepared for that to go pop all of a sudden (as the crud gives way) and then tap person needs to be told to slow down or stop with a bit of gusto. Once rads are confirmed as full of water, and the F&E tank has raised / lowered at least once, then you turn off the outside tap, close the drain off, and go see if all is now working as it should. If this doesn’t get the system working, I will eat everybody’s hats. Issues to avoid: Blasting cold mains water clean out of the F&E tank. Please video this for our entertainment if so. Letting the central heating water get down the hose and back into the cold mains pipe work via the outside tap. Likelihood is that the cold mains pressure will mean this cannot happen, but one to consider. When you’ve finished doing this purge, run lots of clean water through the hose to make sure it’s not contaminated, eg with inhibitor etc. After a day or two of normal operation, you can look at treating with inhibitor and booking a holiday. Hows that sound? One for today and then you’ll be up and running I reckon.

Ok, then the rads upstairs must be where the system shunts air to, and then you bleed these off. That suggests the pump and valves etc are all lower than the first floor rads, and therefore you may not need an auto air vent in the system.

Just had this same enquiry with a project where the clients went with Nordan. They had options for bottom handle, top hinged etc, for folk who are less abled, so I would expect most of the big hitters are able to accommodate this requirement / request.

Ok. The auto bleed function on a pump is usually just it pulsing / stop-starting to ‘bump’ air around and out of the water circuit. To clarify, an automatic air vent is a piece of equipment that’s installed at the highest point of each circuit, which allows air to be released in your absence. Air comes out, and they they do a little ‘spit’ and then no more water comes out. When you auto-bled the pump, what exactly did you do?