Ben100 Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 Hi All, In my researching TF construction and stick build as an option I've come across this article on http://easytimberframe.co.uk/technical-information/building-timber-frame-house/ regarding building your own panels or stick building. "This means that unless whoever makes the panels, or stick builds the walls, has a recognised competency, the structure may not be accepted or approved – at least without possible extra costly inspections and/or other expense. For this reason, most architects, house designers and owner builders find it more convenient and less costly to use ready made insulated timber panels from an established, recognised manufacture, to build their plans. There is also the likely future value and mortgagablity of a house that is an ‘Owner Build’ to consider." Do you think this a legitimate concern or just scaremongering? Does it cost more to get a stick built home through building regs or sign-off? Is resale an issue for owner builder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell griffiths Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 If you get a company to design your frame and you work to their spec and put in the correct fasteners where they say then what is the problem. You will I’ll have to work to some sort of standard, you can’t just think I’ll set my studs at 750 centres just because it looks ok, you will need somebody to specify how many studs at openings, and what timber to use as window lintels, you will need to know how you are fixing it to the foundation, what nail spacing to use on your racking boards. If you have the correct information you should in theory theory be able to give the plans to anybody to build. If building control have signed off on the design then all they need to check is its built to spec, you can get a monkey to build it but it must meet the spec. Im currently building in ICF block, ATBH it seams perfect for a competent diy job, it’s flying up and is very user friendly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben100 Posted November 9, 2018 Author Share Posted November 9, 2018 5 minutes ago, Russell griffiths said: If you get a company to design your frame and you work to their spec and put in the correct fasteners where they say then what is the problem. You will I’ll have to work to some sort of standard, you can’t just think I’ll set my studs at 750 centres just because it looks ok, you will need somebody to specify how many studs at openings, and what timber to use as window lintels, you will need to know how you are fixing it to the foundation, what nail spacing to use on your racking boards. If you have the correct information you should in theory theory be able to give the plans to anybody to build. If building control have signed off on the design then all they need to check is its built to spec, you can get a monkey to build it but it must meet the spec. Im currently building in ICF block, ATBH it seams perfect for a competent diy job, it’s flying up and is very user friendly. Yes, this is how I viewed it too. Out of interest, how does ICF compare to TF in terms of cost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell griffiths Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 No idea on cost comparison just too many differences for me to compare i am working on my own most days and felt it was easier to chuck about a block of eps rather than a bloody great 6x2. So far it’s a breeze I think I could possibly get the wife doing it with only a couple of hours training. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nod Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 I don’t think there are any isues with TF We chose tradition but that was personal Choice if your likely to sell at some stage Its worth getting a build warranty A lot of the mainstream builders we’re going onto TF houses in the early 80s But bad press put pay to that Totally different methods to the ones built on here With panels left stacked for week open to the elements and builders bashing holes through the sides to get services in There are still plenty of people who think TF is built like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 Our frame was detailed and drawn by the Arcitectural Technician. It was then built and erected by a local firm of builders. But had I been so inclined and had the time, I see no reason I could not have built it myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeSharp01 Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 3 hours ago, Russell griffiths said: If you get a company to design your frame and you work to their spec and put in the correct fasteners where they say then what is the problem. This is what we have done - so it is scaremongering. The BCO has no problem with me building it neither does the structural warranty company. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tennentslager Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 3 hours ago, Russell griffiths said: No idea on cost comparison just too many differences for me to compare i am working on my own most days and felt it was easier to chuck about a block of eps rather than a bloody great 6x2. So far it’s a breeze I think I could possibly get the wife doing it with only a couple of hours training. It's Lego... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottishjohn Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 If you doing it yourself i suggest you watch this video this guy is real professional joiner https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4Qy3uyaLmY 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryE Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 You can't assume with a TF. You really do need to design. The frame needs to be able to carry its design load without buckling. It also needs to have adequate sheer stiffness to avoid collapsing by scissoring under the maximum design wind speeds. The BIsnp should expect to see all of these design details approved by a "competent person" -- in this case a qualified structural engineer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell griffiths Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 1 hour ago, scottishjohn said: If you doing it yourself i suggest you watch this video this guy is real professional joiner https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4Qy3uyaLmY Larry Hunn, proper old school framer, I think if you stick to the correct framing process but add in some new cad design and some new better fasteners then timberframe can be a very good method. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben100 Posted November 29, 2018 Author Share Posted November 29, 2018 I've decided to go stick build TF, and have Cullen Timber Design design the frame for me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Punter Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 Let us know how you get on... I really enjoyed the YouTube stuff with Larry Haun recommended above by @scottishjohn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben100 Posted November 29, 2018 Author Share Posted November 29, 2018 3 minutes ago, Mr Punter said: Let us know how you get on... I really enjoyed the YouTube stuff with Larry Haun recommended above by @scottishjohn Sure, no worries. I might even put a small blog together about the build. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottishjohn Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 3 hours ago, Ben100 said: Sure, no worries. I might even put a small blog together about the build. who needs a nail gun if you can work like him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben100 Posted November 29, 2018 Author Share Posted November 29, 2018 2 minutes ago, scottishjohn said: who needs a nail gun if you can work like him I think I'll buy a nail gun ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterW Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 I’ve got a paslode framing gun that may be for sale .... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redtop Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 i am going down the self build stick route. Going to build it panel by panel (I have dry storage) and when all done get some hired help to get it up during a dry spell. I have a structural engineer on board and have read up on all the relevant regs (TRADA timber frame construction is a good detailed guide). Depending on the detail i get from the SE i may reach out to rob cullen but given i have plenty of time and limited money i can spread the build out as long as i want. I am convinced i can build to a better standard than the typical of the shelf frames, and i will be able to add in the UFH, etc at the right time rather than after frame is up. Also the larry haun, how to build a house book and associated videos are great. If you join TRADA they also have a load of detailed publications. Personally i will find the process of actually 'self building', taking my time and getting it right much less stressfull than having to check and correct builders. I could of course get some real quality frames / builders but that costs a lot! We will see how i get on lol, if it looks like being too hard then its a TF company route, but it doesnt look that hard to my eyes ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell griffiths Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 I did consider doing mine in panel form, I was going to set myself up like a little factory make a framing table so you can build a panel in the table, all nice and square air hoses hanging from ceiling for speed and so you don’t trip over everything overhead gantry with electric winch for moving completed panels, or a forklift. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpinthehouse Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Hi I built my own TF on site in all weather's, saved a bit of money but next time I would buy a frame in and I'm a chippy Buying one means you're inside and dry a considerable time earlier. I would erect a company supplied myself though John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple07 Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 We stick Build on site, never had an issue or even slightest bit of concern raised from building control. Take extra care round windows as if it goes wrong it’s gonna be there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfb Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 On 25/11/2018 at 11:09, scottishjohn said: If you doing it yourself i suggest you watch this video this guy is real professional joiner https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4Qy3uyaLmY I've only just watched this video and I have to say he is fantastic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 On 29/11/2018 at 15:51, PeterW said: I’ve got a paslode framing gun that may be for sale .... ? Let me know if it is. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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