Thorfun Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 Today I learnt to lay a slab. it's my first one and not a very important slab as it's just to house the GRP electricity kiosk from CCF Fibreglass and a couple of wheelie bins. it was about 0.2m3 and I mixed approximately 1 part cement to 6 parts sand/ballast pre-mix with some water by hand in a wheelbarrow and then tamped it down to get a rough but level-ish finish. There are 3 x 150mm ducts in the slab for the electricity supply in, out to the house and out to the STP which is nearby so these got in the way of getting a nice tampered finish but, all things considered, I'm very happy with what I've achieved today and think I did an alright job for something that I really didn't care how good it looks. I'll have another one to do to house the ASHP further down the line which I'm sure will be better. what did anyone else learn to do today? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilly Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 Ha, I learnt that block and beam should have a 225mm void over clay, rather than the <150mm my less than reliable builder intends... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorfun Posted May 9, 2021 Author Share Posted May 9, 2021 1 minute ago, Jilly said: Ha, I learnt that block and beam should have a 225mm void over clay, rather than the <150mm my less than reliable builder intends... oh dear. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus Potter Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 I learnt about ovens from my Father in law, what to look out for in terms of cleaning, the control display sizes and so on. 2 hours ago, Jilly said: Ha, I learnt that block and beam should have a 225mm void over clay, rather than the <150mm my less than reliable builder intends... Off topic.. Don't panic Jilly. NHBC regs touch on this, have copied below their text in italic from section 5.2 D10 of their regs. A minimum void of not less than 150mm should be provided below the underside of floor slabs and beams. On shrinkable soil where heave could take place, allowance should be made for the void to accommodate the following movements according to the shrinkage potential of the soil: high potential - 150mm medium potential - 100mm low potential - 50mm. If you get stuck then I would look to see if the ground has recovered from any trees / hedges cut down in the last two years or more.. this causes ground to swell. Also, have a look at what time of year the solum is installed, at the end of the winter where moisture contents are high and the ground has lifted/ swelled. If conditions are right you can make the point to the BCO that the ground has swelled (heaved) upwards close to it's potential maximum so once you put a dry building on top it will go down and increase the void. A reasoned argument coupled with a pragmatic BCO could resolve. This is a bit of last resort stuff to get you out a hole if you get stuck.. say main underbuilding levels set. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 I learn the same thing every morning, my body aches. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorfun Posted June 10, 2021 Author Share Posted June 10, 2021 so I didn't learn this today but what I've learnt over the last few weeks that the basement contractors have been on-site is that there isn't a problem that can't be solved with a hammer. rebar in the way? smash it with a hammer formwork dirty? smash it with a hammer nut won't tighten/loosen enough? smash it with a hammer I'm surprised tool manufacturers make any money as it would seem that the hammer is the one stop tool that will fix anything and anything else is just superfluous to requirements. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 57 minutes ago, Thorfun said: so I didn't learn this today but what I've learnt over the last few weeks that the basement contractors have been on-site is that there isn't a problem that can't be solved with a hammer. When all you have is a hammer, everything... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Nickfromwales said: He’s got a big nutter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 6 minutes ago, pocster said: He’s got a big nutter Birth defect, apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Nickfromwales said: Birth defect, apparently. I know the feeling … Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToughButterCup Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 I learned about Clearance Holes. After splitting God knows how many thin bits of Larch. Here's a calculator for you, just in case you have the same issue. Thats the trouble with lack of knowledge: you don't know what you don't know. Unknown unknowns .... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonshine Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 26 minutes ago, ToughButterCup said: I learned about Clearance Holes and now i have i am one of the lucky 10,000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 2 hours ago, pocster said: He’s got a big nutter Bang away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottishjohn Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 very weak mix for concrete 6-1 with ballast!! looking at the cement bag it says 4-1 with ballast mix maybe not a big deal with that size for a grp box --but bear in mind its something like a foundation for a wall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorfun Posted June 10, 2021 Author Share Posted June 10, 2021 4 hours ago, scottishjohn said: very weak mix for concrete 6-1 with ballast!! looking at the cement bag it says 4-1 with ballast mix maybe not a big deal with that size for a grp box --but bear in mind its something like a foundation for a wall interesting you say that as you're right that the cement bag says 4-1 with ballast mix but the ballast bag says 6-1. so I just made it up as I went along. like you say, it's just a light weight GRP box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottishjohn Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Thorfun said: interesting you say that as you're right that the cement bag says 4-1 with ballast mix but the ballast bag says 6-1. so I just made it up as I went along. like you say, it's just a light weight GRP box. so you went for the cheap choice - as the cement is the active part in the mix--and the people that would get sued --then I believe the cement bag mix is correct . more cement will give you a better finish if you float the next one Edited June 10, 2021 by scottishjohn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Jones Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 On 09/05/2021 at 16:50, Thorfun said: Today I learnt to lay a slab. it's my first one and not a very important slab as it's just to house the GRP electricity kiosk from CCF Fibreglass and a couple of wheelie bins. it was about 0.2m3 and I mixed approximately 1 part cement to 6 parts sand/ballast pre-mix with some water by hand in a wheelbarrow and then tamped it down to get a rough but level-ish finish. There are 3 x 150mm ducts in the slab for the electricity supply in, out to the house and out to the STP which is nearby so these got in the way of getting a nice tampered finish but, all things considered, I'm very happy with what I've achieved today and think I did an alright job for something that I really didn't care how good it looks. I'll have another one to do to house the ASHP further down the line which I'm sure will be better. what did anyone else learn to do today? looks good! A cheap float to make a nice finish, if you have a multitool tape it to a length of 2x2 or 4x2 to use as a handle then screw another piece on the end the width of your pad. The vibration will make the conc come up lovely. Wait a bit till its sets a little and the water comes to top. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorfun Posted September 19, 2021 Author Share Posted September 19, 2021 today I learnt a very important lesson that I hope will assist others reading this in the future. this is important so please pay attention...... ....KEEP ON TOP OF YOUR WASTE MANAGEMENT!!! I decided that I thought it would be easier to get to the stage when we were out of the ground and then I would spend the time getting rid of the waste rather than getting a skip on-site early and clearing up as the build went along. that was a BIG mistake! just spent the whole day going through mounds of waste sorting it all out ready for skips to be delivered next week. ? moving forward I will ensure there is a skip on site at all times so the trades can put their waste straight in to it rather than just piling it up for me to sort out later. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundtuit Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 15 minutes ago, Thorfun said: KEEP ON TOP OF YOUR WASTE MANAGEMENT!!! Good advice. Luckily I was able to visit site every day and could take waste in car-loads to the local recycling centre, so only one 8yd skip used at the end for the heavy stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToughButterCup Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Thorfun said: ... I decided that I thought it would be easier to get to the stage when we were out of the ground and then ... [get a skip so ] the trades can put their waste straight in ... Oh no they won't. They'll drop it right next to one of their feet. Tread on it, trip over it repeatedly, fall over it , grind it into the ground, look at it while drinking tea. They won't give a flying fookety fook about it. Not one. Not even half a one. (PS, Written with feeling - can you tell - , not to say annoyance, #ucking lazy bastards) Edited September 19, 2021 by ToughButterCup 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 1 hour ago, ToughButterCup said: Oh no they won't. They'll drop it right next to one of their feet. Tread on it, trip over it repeatedly, fall over it , grind it into the ground, look at it while drinking tea. They won't give a flying fookety fook about it. Not one. Not even half a one. Very true. However they will fill your skip with all the shite they have in their van. Usually waste from all the other jobs they’ve been doing whilst they had promised to be on site at yours. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 In the village we lived in down south, when someone had a skip it was a means to exchange your "waste". Overnight a lot of the stuff in the skip would be removed by someone wanting to re use it, and be replaced by a different set of waste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterW Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Andrew said: Usually waste from all the other jobs they’ve been doing whilst they had promised to be on site at yours. Roofers apprentice cleaned the van and dumped about £100 of lead in my skip and “hid” it under a load of membrane when he was asked to clear the van.. surprisingly it wasn’t there for long and I removed it !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 1 hour ago, ProDave said: In the village we lived in down south, when someone had a skip it was a means to exchange your "waste". Overnight a lot of the stuff in the skip would be removed by someone wanting to re use it, and be replaced by a different set of waste. I have my Skip Diving badge! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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