LaCurandera Posted January 30, 2022 Posted January 30, 2022 Hi, We've dug some trial holes and it seems that the foundations of our bungalow are unlikely to allow us to do a second storey without effort. It's not nailed on and waiting to speak to a SE, but the builder didn't seem positive. Anyway, if we do have to go with a rebuild, are there anythings that help save time (and presumably cost) that we could be getting on with in terms of strip out etc. I confess I don't know if a house is being demolished if it just gets flattened with a dozer, or is there days/weeks of prep before the walls come down? We're still actively pursuing other alternatives, but just wondered is there a good guide somewhere to the stages for site prep? At the moment it's just sat there, and I feel our weekends could be spent doing something on it that saves money later! 1
Dave Jones Posted January 30, 2022 Posted January 30, 2022 take out all the wood, skirts, doors, window frames, kitchen, archi etc and burn it. you will still have to pick the roof trusses from the rubble to burn. take out all the loft insulation. strip out all pipework, cylinders, tanks etc. when you knock it down you will have to pull out of the pile anything that isnt a brick, block or roof tile so easier to do it before hand. 1
Thorfun Posted January 30, 2022 Posted January 30, 2022 6 minutes ago, Dave Jones said: take out all the wood, skirts, doors, window frames, kitchen, archi etc and burn it. you will still have to pick the roof trusses from the rubble to burn. take out all the loft insulation. strip out all pipework, cylinders, tanks etc. when you knock it down you will have to pull out of the pile anything that isnt a brick, block or roof tile so easier to do it before hand. will this just save the cost of the demolition company doing it? if so, how much would them doing it really add? surely the digger can separate the bits quicker than taking it out by hand before hand? I'm asking as we will eventually need to demolish our existing house so this is quite pertinent!
Dave Jones Posted January 30, 2022 Posted January 30, 2022 sure a digger can pile it into skips real easy. skips = ££££££ muck away for bricks, blocks and tile = cheap. you do the math. 1
Iceverge Posted January 30, 2022 Posted January 30, 2022 Copper is making about £5 scrap at the moment. Windows and doors may be resold, everything else is probable just landfill TBH.
ProDave Posted January 30, 2022 Posted January 30, 2022 Old timbers and floor boards if not rotten and reasonably straight will make a good shed. Some of the old doors and windows can go into that as well.
Thorfun Posted January 30, 2022 Posted January 30, 2022 we have a glazed conservatory and we'll be dismantling that and will use the glass panels as a roof for a chicken house. ?
LaCurandera Posted January 30, 2022 Author Posted January 30, 2022 (edited) Thanks all, @Dave Jones @Iceverge Good point @ProDave, I do need a shed / workshop in the garden and hadn't thought of that. Good luck with your build @Thorfun Edited January 30, 2022 by LaCurandera 1
Russell griffiths Posted January 30, 2022 Posted January 30, 2022 Should you not get planning to rebuild before you start pulling this one apart. you are not guaranteed to get platform a replacement. be careful. 1
LaCurandera Posted January 31, 2022 Author Posted January 31, 2022 Hi @Russell griffiths, Sorry, not going to start smashing things down too much, but more thinking about prep we could do. Some of it would be useful regardless as to whether we rebuild or renovate, some of it would go anyway. e.g. if it's stripping out wood, we can remove things like unused cupboards etc regardless of the route we go down. I didn't know whether if we were demolishing it would have been wasted effort. So yeah, firmly on board with not counting chickens!
Temp Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 If planning to replace with a larger building make sure you have applied for and received the CIL exemption for self builders. Starting work before you have that can mean loosing the exemption. 1
LaCurandera Posted January 31, 2022 Author Posted January 31, 2022 49 minutes ago, Temp said: If planning to replace with a larger building make sure you have applied for and received the CIL exemption for self builders. Starting work before you have that can mean loosing the exemption. Thanks @Temp, certainly on the radar, but will investigate fully
Russell griffiths Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 Plan where you want new house and get any trees and hedges removed. Check for tree preservation orders and conservation area. If not get them removed before bird nesting starts. Clean old house very well on outside to remove any sign of bat activity. Remove any habitation piles any any rubbish that could be habitat for newts or any other protected creatures. Be be aware of doing all this with upmost care as disturbing protected species comes with some hefty fines. 1
LaCurandera Posted January 31, 2022 Author Posted January 31, 2022 Thanks @Russell griffiths I've seen this comment about trees before, is that because if a tree is on a planning app it has to be kept? Bit of googling around focussed on preservation orders (not applicable for us) but there are some more general flora "in the way"
Bitpipe Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 On 30/01/2022 at 15:54, Dave Jones said: take out all the wood, skirts, doors, window frames, kitchen, archi etc and burn it. you will still have to pick the roof trusses from the rubble to burn. take out all the loft insulation. strip out all pipework, cylinders, tanks etc. when you knock it down you will have to pull out of the pile anything that isnt a brick, block or roof tile so easier to do it before hand. Many demolition orders from the LA forbid burning on site, ours did for sure. I stripped out as much copper etc as I could and took to the scrap merchant myself, was only about £100 in the end so not really worth the effort. The demo crew spent a day ripping out all the wood and it went into a large skip. Then the machine pulled he house apart from top to bottom, roofing and flooring timbers went into the same skip. They picked out any remaining metal for salvage and the rest went into a series of 20t trucks off to be crushed. Was less than a week for a 165m3 2 storey brick house. We bought in a few trucks of crush later and there was all sorts of crap in it, taps, wood, cables etc.
Andehh Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 2 hours ago, Russell griffiths said: Plan where you want new house and get any trees and hedges removed. Check for tree preservation orders and conservation area. If not get them removed before bird nesting starts. Clean old house very well on outside to remove any sign of bat activity. Remove any habitation piles any any rubbish that could be habitat for newts or any other protected creatures. Be be aware of doing all this with upmost care as disturbing protected species comes with some hefty fines. Fully this, we were hit with £2000 costs for stupid tree stuff we could have avoided by cutting them down ourselves. We did get away with bat's by demoliting before we were told to have full surveys. DESPITE ecology report saying no bats!! Otherwise that'd have been another £2000++ Our builder saved (his!!) costs by sending all the brick & hard-core off in several farm trailers for them to use for field entrances etc etc. I bet that was a few grand saved in skips!
SteamyTea Posted February 1, 2022 Posted February 1, 2022 On 30/01/2022 at 15:54, Dave Jones said: take out all the wood, skirts, doors, window frames, kitchen, archi etc and burn it Told you before, this is illegal and must not happen.
Bramco Posted February 1, 2022 Posted February 1, 2022 15 hours ago, Andehh said: Our builder saved (his!!) costs by sending all the brick & hard-core off in several farm trailers for them to use for field entrances etc etc. I bet that was a few grand saved in skips! We saved a fortune in disposal fees for the earth taken out for the foundations. Local farmer was very pleased to take it away to level the verge on the road down to the farm. We paid for the grass seed to reseed it. Bargain. Simon
ToughButterCup Posted February 1, 2022 Posted February 1, 2022 When you have decided which bits you might want to keep, build a store for them in advance. A quick scaffolding framework (KwikStage?) is fine The wood will need to be dryish and open to the air (i.e. out of the wind). Other bits will need to be kept dry. Thats not easy. Local practice is to kill any wild-life - in an industrial way. Load of pig slurry in the ponds, bat roosts sprayed. All about a year before any documentation hits the paper trail. I'm not suggesting you do that, merely reporting common practice.
matthyde83 Posted February 1, 2022 Posted February 1, 2022 3 hours ago, SteamyTea said: Told you before, this is illegal and must not happen. This is directly from my demolition notice...
markc Posted February 1, 2022 Posted February 1, 2022 Hmmm, so they are not bothered what you burn … lead paint, asbestos, creosote etc etc as long as it doesn’t spread and disturb their food or gym time.
SteamyTea Posted February 1, 2022 Posted February 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, markc said: so they are not bothered what you burn That is because they are the Fire Brigade, not the EA.
markc Posted February 1, 2022 Posted February 1, 2022 1 minute ago, SteamyTea said: That is because they are the Fire Brigade, not the EA. I was being sarcastic, I would have thought and hoped the FB would be promoting safety AND compliance with EA regarding fires
SteamyTea Posted February 1, 2022 Posted February 1, 2022 Just now, markc said: sarcastic Does not come across well on here sometimes. I was cooking lunch, so only half a brain. 1
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