ZacP 23 Posted January 5 Due to a quirk of fate we will be buying our white goods before we exchange on our plot. Long story, but basically we will need them whilst in rented and we’d rather buy well once then badly twice. So we would love to hear what brands you have and if you love/hate them! Fully intergrated Dishwasher Fully intergrated Washing machine Fully intergrated Tumble dryer or Fully intergrated washer dryer TIA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wozza 87 Posted January 5 Are you going to fit the integrated appliances into the rental place? We have an integrated Siemens Dishwasher - had it for over 10 years - its very good, I think its one of the upper range models. We have a freestanding Bosch washing machine - again very good We have a freestanding Samsung Condensing drier - again very good. We are most likely going to fit Siemens dishwasher and ovens in our new kitchen (Bora hob) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gone West 1,164 Posted January 6 We have used Miele dishwashers and washing machines, both integrated and free standing, for the last twenty years, in different houses, without any problems. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryder72 144 Posted January 7 If you want generally speak the best in category products Miele are best of dishwashers and laundry. If the budget doesnt permit Miele, but BSH. They are decent. AEG/Electrolux also make decent laundry products. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Temp 1,470 Posted January 7 (edited) Quite a few manufacturers make machines for each other.. This is very out of date (2012).. https://hubys.co.uk/news-information/2/who-really-makes-your-washing-machine Sometimes its obvious machines are made by same company as the buttons are in identical places and things like the insides of soap dispensers are the same. Occasionally there are software differences so that the cheaper brand has a slightly slower top spin speed or more limited programs. We've had good experiences with Bosch appliances. One thing I like is you can buy spare parts from them. Yes some parts are expensive but at least I can get them and fix issues myself. Edited January 7 by Temp Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dnb 236 Posted January 8 Had a Bosch dishwasher. It lasted just over 10 years. Not bad considering it was very cheaply acquired from a seconds outlet because it was damaged in transit when we bought the first house. (It was an easy fix - simply extract all the small stones from the anti-flood mechanism!) I discovered that integrated and non-integrated Bosch dishwashers were at the time built identically. The difference was that the free standing appliances had more parts bolted to them, and were therefore cheaper! Go figure. We have a Miele dishwasher now and it does seem to be that little fraction better at everything. The rest of the appliances were Neff. All are integrated and are now 20 years old, and I keep expecting them to fail spectacularly the week before we move out! Apart from the induction hob. That spectacularly let all of the smoke out of one of the two power supplies and since it was over 15 years old there were no new spare parts available. The new hob is not as good as the old one - the controls were seemingly designed by an alien with four hands each with three fingers no thicker than the average pencil, and the response to applying heat and the sizzle in the frying pan changing seems to be artificially slugged by the control system. (As my good lady is often known to say: "I liked it as it was!") Neff and Bosch always used to be the same underneath the label. Not sure if this is still the case. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gav_P 221 Posted February 20 I have a 3.5 year old integrated Neff dishwasher (is a Bosch underneath it’s clothes)... bloody heat pump has failed. This is the 3rd dishwasher that I have owned that had heat pump failures. And looking on line it is a very common occurrence, so why the hell are they not made to be easily accessible. Each one needs the dishwasher breaking down into a million bits to replace it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Temp 1,470 Posted February 20 (edited) The Bosch heater in our dishwasher is prone to failure due to quite minor scale... The heating element is printed onto the outside of a steel tube. What happens is that a thin layer of scale builds up on the inside of the tube and this insulates the heating element from the water causing it to overheat. You can see where a spot has "blown" and its always at the bottom where scale formsbon the inside. I've had thus happen twice. I now put a bottle of cheap vinegar in the machine every other week to try and prevent it happening. Edited February 20 by Temp Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gav_P 221 Posted February 20 20 minutes ago, Temp said: The Bosch heater in our dishwasher is prone to failure due to quite minor scale... The heating element is printed onto the outside of a steel tube. What happens is that a thin layer of scale builds up on the inside of the tube and this insulates the heating element from the water causing it to overheat. You can see where a spot has "blown" and its always at the bottom where scale formsbon the inside. I've had thus happen twice. I now put a bottle of cheap vinegar in the machine every other week to try and prevent it happening. That’s the exact issue with mine. But I haven’t seen the heater elements for sale on there own (except a bulk buy of 40 units from the US), it’s just part of the heater pump assembly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AliG 687 Posted February 20 (edited) We usually stick to Siemens appliances which have been quite reliable and aren’t crazy expensive. No scale in our water! Why integrated washer/dryer? Free standing ones tend to be better and better value. I would avoid them unless you absolutely have to have them. In our laundry room they made us 670mm cabinets and the free standing washer and dryer just sit inside them. But tbh the doors are a nuisance and if they weren’t already there I wouldn’t have them. If you have a heat pump dryer it normally has an air intake so you can’t shut the door when it is running. Edited February 20 by AliG Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oz07 471 Posted February 20 Samsung has 5 year warranty Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gav_P 221 Posted February 20 5 minutes ago, Oz07 said: Samsung has 5 year warranty Not on any dishwashers that I’ve looked at. 2 years is the norm. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gav_P 221 Posted February 20 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Oz07 said: Samsung has 5 year warranty it does cover new purchases up to aug 21 (just off the top of the page in my screen grab). Edited February 20 by Gav_P Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Temp 1,470 Posted February 20 (edited) 1 hour ago, Gav_P said: That’s the exact issue with mine. But I haven’t seen the heater elements for sale on there own (except a bulk buy of 40 units from the US), it’s just part of the heater Google found one that looks similar to mine here but its not much cheaper than a whole new assy from ebay.... https://ziperone.com/products/00000024678 Edited February 20 by Temp Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Temp 1,470 Posted February 20 Possibly another here for $35 but design looks different.. https://www.tubularheater.de/instant-heater-for-dishwasher/57083347.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gav_P 221 Posted February 20 1 hour ago, Temp said: Google found one that looks similar to mine here but its not much cheaper than a whole new assy from ebay.... https://ziperone.com/products/00000024678 Crazy that they are at that kind of price... would anyone but that over a complete unit with pump? 1 hour ago, Temp said: Possibly another here for $35 but design looks different.. https://www.tubularheater.de/instant-heater-for-dishwasher/57083347.html That one looks like it’s been made in someone’s shed 😂... I have a feeling that isn’t OE spec. I would have thought there would have been a big market just for the heater element tube, but clearly not. Weird. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chanmenie 2 Posted February 21 I agree with AliG, I would not fit integrated appliances again, free standing much easier to fit and maintain, and better value for money. why buy a nice Miele then hide it in a cupboard Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oz07 471 Posted February 21 1 hour ago, Chanmenie said: I agree with AliG, I would not fit integrated appliances again, free standing much easier to fit and maintain, and better value for money. why buy a nice Miele then hide it in a cupboard Me too. Integrated dishwashers are the devil's work. Utilitarian utilities are where it's at Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PeterW 4,292 Posted February 21 21 hours ago, Gav_P said: That’s the exact issue with mine. Have you set the water hardness and do you fill the salt container ..?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gav_P 221 Posted February 21 29 minutes ago, PeterW said: Have you set the water hardness and do you fill the salt container ..?? Don’t know what ‘set the water hardness’ is, so nope not done that. What is it? Yes we do fill the salt regularly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Jones 127 Posted February 21 if you have the budget. Fischer paykal dish drawer. If you still have any budget left, their quad cooker range. makes the competition look like currys own brand. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Punter 1,282 Posted February 21 21 hours ago, Gav_P said: it does cover new purchases up to aug 21 (just off the top of the page in my screen grab). I have a Samsung fridge freezer with extended guarantee. Lucky as it has gone wrong 3 times in 2 years. Engineer due back out for yet another fault. They are poor quality design and build. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Punter 1,282 Posted February 21 4 minutes ago, Dave Jones said: Fischer paykal But they are Chinese crap. At least buy European crap. 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alexphd1 233 Posted February 21 I don't think I would have freestanding appliance in my kitchen purely for the look. Usually use siemens/Bosch/neff and have a mix of that and wolf in this build. Have replaced a few elements in ovens over the years but had good reliability from bosch/neff dishwashers but no hard water here. Washing machine and dryer freestanding in the utility room. I have had poor experiences from candy, smeg, hotpoint and zanussi in rented properties, always replaced them with bosch appliances. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites