zoothorn Posted November 17, 2020 Author Share Posted November 17, 2020 (edited) This is now a real problem. Just 5 mins walking on & my heels are throbbing, feet Really aching bad. Disaster. Iknow exactly what it is(the indents being left /ive never see this before on a carpet sort of telling me) its simply the underlay not giving proper support at all (even if a bit thicker) so each steps weight compresses it so your effectively walking on the hard floor below, leaving a trail of steps, just a thin bit of 7mm carpet onto hard floor. Im taken for aride, again. Its not something thats obvious at 1st, as youre not used to it, or know whats causing feet to ache, & the adjacent bedroom is fine.. so assumed hed put same under stuff down in here. ive only just over wknd got everything in, after A year doing these rooms. Now its all gotta be taken out, As I cannot possibly put up with this. Any ideas on how i approach the fitter about this? Assuming hell refuse to do any thing about it, do you think an insurance claim is feasable? £400damn quid. Grrr.. Edited November 17, 2020 by zoothorn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 Slippers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoothorn Posted November 17, 2020 Author Share Posted November 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Onoff said: Slippers? Seriously Onoff- do you know what I should do? If I wake up & heels painful, its a problem & I dont know how to proceed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpmiller Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 plantar fasciitis? Have you changed to a heavier quilt recently? Spent lots of time on your knees? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilly Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 Maybe just let him know it seems to be a problem, but relax and live with it for a few weeks as you may have injured your feet some other way as dp says. Shift your focus elsewhere as you have had a lot of stress recently so its bound to worry you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterW Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 10 hours ago, zoothorn said: This is now a real problem. Just 5 mins walking on & my heels are throbbing, feet Really aching bad. Disaster. Iknow exactly what it is(the indents being left /ive never see this before on a carpet sort of telling me) its simply the underlay not giving proper support at all (even if a bit thicker) so each steps weight compresses it so your effectively walking on the hard floor below, leaving a trail of steps, just a thin bit of 7mm carpet onto hard floor. Im taken for aride, again. Its not something thats obvious at 1st, as youre not used to it, or know whats causing feet to ache, & the adjacent bedroom is fine.. so assumed hed put same under stuff down in here. ive only just over wknd got everything in, after A year doing these rooms. Now its all gotta be taken out, As I cannot possibly put up with this. Any ideas on how i approach the fitter about this? Assuming hell refuse to do any thing about it, do you think an insurance claim is feasable? £400damn quid. Grrr.. Sounds like plantar fasciitis which I struggle with on bad days. Mine is brought on by wearing very flat shoes, so if you have gone from shoes to nothing with new carpets then it will have potentially set it off. Pain in the bottom of the heel stretching toward the toes is a classic symptom, nothing to do with carpets. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoothorn Posted November 17, 2020 Author Share Posted November 17, 2020 29 minutes ago, PeterW said: Sounds like plantar fasciitis which I struggle with on bad days. Mine is brought on by wearing very flat shoes, so if you have gone from shoes to nothing with new carpets then it will have potentially set it off. Pain in the bottom of the heel stretching toward the toes is a classic symptom, nothing to do with carpets. Peter, its absolutely the carpet & not my feet. Ive worked for a year in this room, same shoes (I only have 2 pairs), hard caberfloor.. no aching. I have the same fitters carpets in adjacent room, different underlay, never once aching. Ive never -once- had aching feet in the whole 4 yrs Ive been here, even after long hard graft walks. If I feel instant relief when I step onto the next bedroom's carpet, from this carpet, & the aching has only started with this new carpet.. I mean there's no more proof needed. Its unnoquivocal. I'm absolutely certain its the underlay's poor density I can literally see proof of (bc the carpet indents & stays indented, & carpet sort of looks & feels 'loose' ontop of it) and I can feel proof of: Ii feels like Im standing on squashed materials mm's above on a hard floor, so I feel the floor clearly just with squished 'padded' areas 'up' around where I'm standing, IE my two steps having no support, not, like my adjacent room (chipboard floor too) feeling correctly like you're standing on a layer of something supportive/ you are totally unaware of the floor below. What you describe might well be what I have as a result, & its actually pain in the back part of my heels.. but the cause is not in any doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 How about erythromelalgia? https://www.livingwitherythromelalgia.org/t/carpet-pain/59 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJNewton Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 What underlay is it? Lift the carpet from a corner - the underlay often carries branding printed on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoothorn Posted November 17, 2020 Author Share Posted November 17, 2020 13 minutes ago, Onoff said: How about erythromelalgia? https://www.livingwitherythromelalgia.org/t/carpet-pain/59 No, Ive looked this up, this is a skin thing. I have aching deep in backs of heels & it starts immediately & even just walking across it once, & only in here. If all my other carpets, including main room with no underlay at all, even lino floors & bare wood stairs, I get no aching in... & it starts only in conjunction with the new carpet: it's the new carpet. But of course I'll be challenged, challenged until the cows come home. zoot can't possibly be right, the fitter's done exactly what he should have/ not his fault, its just your physiology. No. It's just sh*t, unsupportive, junk underlay. It's only a question of how I can proceed to rectify the situation. I haven't a clue, Ive only in my life had 2 new carpets fitted.. I didn't know this underlay problem even existed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoothorn Posted November 17, 2020 Author Share Posted November 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, MJNewton said: What underlay is it? Lift the carpet from a corner - the underlay often carries branding printed on it. I dont really see how I can without messing it up, there's such a prominent slope-down @ edges, cos underlay seems 'quilty-ott-thick'. Literally just walked on it 2mins, & my feet (& calves too I notice with my work shoes on 1st time in here) start to ache. Its unbelievable. Underlay is crucial- I knew it was important, but no idea you could get such bad ones as to make you feel pain. Whytf didn't he just use same stuff as next room (multicloured bits n bobs 10mm or so stuff I saw him lift a corner to strip join the job to it, which is properly dense & supportive)?? cost to him, has to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJNewton Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, zoothorn said: I dont really see how I can without messing it up, there's such a prominent slope-down @ edges, cos underlay seems 'quilty-ott-thick'. Just pull the carpet by a tuft right in the corner (pliers will suffice to lift it until you can grab it by hand) and then pull up - it'll come off the grippers without issue and can easily be put back and pushed back in between the grippers and skirting. Whatever you do, calm down. I've never known so many mountains being made out of mole hills and the distrust you have in the motivations of others - the stress you create for yourself has surely got to be harmful. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 Perhaps before you blame the carpet underlay fir causing you pain you should invite others into those rooms to see if they suffer the same (lockdown allowing), I have thick bouncy underlay upstairs (wonderful stuff) and it’s not caused either of us a problem!!!!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 27 minutes ago, zoothorn said: But of course I'll be challenged, challenged until the cows come home. zoot can't possibly be right Now don't go off down the rabbit hole again. People are trying to give constructive criticism save for the odd gentle pi$$ take. Out of interest does walking up and down in heels make a difference? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan52 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 11 minutes ago, Onoff said: Now don't go off down the rabbit hole again. People are trying to give constructive criticism save for the odd gentle pi$$ take. Out of interest does walking up and down in heels make a difference? 9 inch ones tend to give me blisters but I found these really help. https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B07X53W18D/ref=sspa_mw_detail_0?ie=UTF8&psc=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoothorn Posted November 17, 2020 Author Share Posted November 17, 2020 1 minute ago, MJNewton said: Just pull the carpet by a tuft right in the corner (pliers will suffice to lift it until you can grab it by hand) and then pull up - it'll come off the grippers without issue and can easily be put back and pushed back in between the grippers and skirting. Whatever you do, calm down. I've never known so many mountains being made out of mole hills and the distrust you have in the motivations of others - the stress you create for yourself has surely got to be harmful. I'll try that thanks. Its not stress I put on myself, I resent this. Its stress of others on me: paying builders & tradesmen a hell of alot of money, who treat me terribly with stuff I dont want (pressuring me to accept) with lies, now this I've paid £400 for I feel conned with p*ss poor materials. And its not stress on myself getting woken at 4am by a loud CH system I cannot understand that's 'working fine'.. nor stress on myself having creep n'bors stealing from under my nose & throwing faeces over my property for 3+ years. Anyone is rightly stressed by these. Anyone. Molehills? imagine most ^ happening at the same time & just you alone- you try it. Having a building done (it says in the book recommended on here) it warns on pg1 is one of the most stressful things in life. I can testify to this. I have -never- been so stressed as I was during the build, nasty pressurising builder stress.. & this is the last job of it (bar me doing which elieviates stress into just problems/ tasks/ totally different). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoothorn Posted November 17, 2020 Author Share Posted November 17, 2020 19 minutes ago, joe90 said: Perhaps before you blame the carpet underlay fir causing you pain you should invite others into those rooms to see if they suffer the same (lockdown allowing), I have thick bouncy underlay upstairs (wonderful stuff) and it’s not caused either of us a problem!!!!. That's a good suggestion joe- but I do not have anyone I know here. Its not something that's immediately obvious too: I was thinking its just my shoes & or kidding myself the thick underlay is nice (its not bouncy- this is the thing- its not dense enough to be, but it is as thick) over a few days. Its the opposite to wonderful- yours is thick & expensive, mine is thick & cheap. [Can you do me a favour: can you swap over your i and o keys, or can you elongate your little finger by 1cm so it hits the right bit.] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterW Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 1 hour ago, zoothorn said: What you describe might well be what I have as a result, & its actually pain in the back part of my heels.. but the cause is not in any doubt. 1 hour ago, zoothorn said: Peter, its absolutely the carpet & not my feet. Ive worked for a year in this room, same shoes (I only have 2 pairs), hard caberfloor.. no aching. Ok so you’ve ignored what I said, and made your own mind up. However, the following is from a specialist in this area : Sadly you are wrong and it’s neither carpet or the underlay, and it is to do with the physiology of your feet adjusting to something different and sounds like underlying PF being the cause. Recommend an orthotic insole with pressure relief as isolated heel pain would be highly unlikely in this situation as would expect ball/toe pain if this was flooring related. So there you go. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, zoothorn said: Can you do me a favour: can you swap over your i and o keys, or can you elongate your little finger by 1cm so it hits the right bit.] Nah, it’s the way I talk, innit tho! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, PeterW said: Sadly you are wrong and it’s neither carpet or the underlay, and it is to do with the physiology of your feet adjusting to something different and sounds like underlying PF being the cause. Recommend an orthotic insole with pressure relief as isolated heel pain would be highly unlikely in this situation as would expect ball/toe pain if this was flooring related. Or wear clogs ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilly Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 Clever, Joe, clever. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wozza Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 8 minutes ago, joe90 said: Or wear clogs ? You mean Cligs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoothorn Posted November 17, 2020 Author Share Posted November 17, 2020 1 minute ago, PeterW said: Ok so you’ve ignored what I said, and made your own mind up. However, the following is from a specialist in this area : Sadly you are wrong and it’s neither carpet or the underlay, and it is to do with the physiology of your feet adjusting to something different and sounds like underlying PF being the cause. Recommend an orthotic insole with pressure relief as isolated heel pain would be highly unlikely in this situation as would expect ball/toe pain if this was flooring related. So there you go. A specialists' opinion on someone else though, if copied/ pasted-? a specialist wouldn't have had time enough to voice an opinion on my specific issue. So this is an assumption. Sorry but its wrong: I didnt feel any aching with the adjacent carpet when new or now & I feel nothing of the floor below it. If I feel aching with this, coinciding with the new materials.. its the new materials (especially if it feels thick -yet- so un-dense & unsupportive I can feel the D4 glue line joins through my shoes underfoot!). Saying anything else just feels like arguing at me for the sake of it. The underlay is not properly supportive & needs replacing. Its just a Q of how. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 15 minutes ago, zoothorn said: I can feel the D4 glue line joins through my shoes underfoot! then you didn’t clean them off properly which will lead to carpet wear before long 16 minutes ago, zoothorn said: its the new materials then complain to the carpet fitters /suppliers , this is a builders forum not a health or carpet fitters forum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoothorn Posted November 17, 2020 Author Share Posted November 17, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, joe90 said: then you didn’t clean them off properly which will lead to carpet wear before long then complain to the carpet fitters /suppliers , this is a builders forum not a health or carpet fitters forum! Me clean them off? I didnt fit the floor, & its a fitter to prep the surface so his materials wont wear.. anyway what I'm saying is even being cleaned off by builders/ normally so (I was working in here & its same as one I did below, nothing saying 'big f-o glue excess' lines) bc the damn underlay is evidently so thin, once squished down you feel them even the odd caber panel a few mm's high. You shouldn't be able to!! I just feel its again just argue at me for the sake of it/ anything anything but agree. Its the simplest answer/ clear as day its the underlay. It wasn't even in consideration for being disagreed with either. I agree, its not a health forum yes!! I just need help/ advice on how to deal with the fitter, or even how to make an insurance claim.. I don't know. Can an underlay be changed? I dont know. They're fairly normal Q's on a trademan's job I'm not happy with, on a build forum. That's all. thx zoot. Edited November 17, 2020 by zoothorn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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