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We paid what will end up being about 3% of the build cost. 3 stages, survey and prelim drawings; planning application (local RIBA architect, knew planners, edge of conservation area, active town council); building regs drawings, which we pushed them hard on the get the spec we wanted rather than the one they may have done as the norm. No detailed SE calcs, but they made it clear at outset we'd need to source that and likely costs, also outlined in they initial quote other costs (pp and building regs apps etc). Handled NMA as part of package. They also gave us info on local private buiding regs co. and tendered this for us; intro to SAP assesor. Their drawings were then used (provided by them) by the timber frame manufacturer. The gap for us, given that we were/are self managing and were erecting frame, was overlays that combined the SE's (excellent local individual) foundations design with the frame (SE also looked at frame design and steel calcs for his own (and ours!) "peace of mind", all good) and section drawings. All worked out but would have been easier if they had all been on one diagram...certainly for those of us with less "experience".
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That’s going to be expensive. What are you running down there to need that fat a cable?
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Bloody well hope so! I’ll be installing the unit in the next month so we’ll start to get an idea then.
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Silence, came the stern reply. Oh well, next month maybe. Back to me plumbing.
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@flanagajI'm already feeling very apprehensive. Being a catastrophiser, doesn't help matters I'm not trying to make matters worse here, or suggest that you and your wife aren't capable.....just giving my take on it.....I attended the first and last pours (we had a couple as narrow site and had to work forwards). I had never seen it done before, was there purely as an observer to "mark the moment". Geoff had two people with him who were uber experienced and were used to working with the guys supplying the concrete. All calm, having done the prep and then super frenetic activity to make sure everyone safe and mix right, in the right place, levelled etc etc. There is no way that I would have wanted to be involved. I know for us all control of costs is important, but this is an area where, even though Geoff is capable, we really felt the benefit of having the experienced guys taking the lead. We can after all if necessary, wait for "the" kitchen, tiles but.....
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Before our current build I’d never been involved in a pour. It was a shock, an unpleasant one. I had two really experienced guys with me and mostly helpful and knowledgeable barrel drivers. It was still daft level tough. Now I’ve been through it I’m of a mind that I’d never, ever contemplate it without experienced help.
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It’s gotta be time for a nose round Alan’s site surely?
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Cutting XPS insulation?
G and J replied to Alan Ambrose's topic in General Self Build & DIY Discussion
The way I read the diagram it’s to reduce the cold bridging at the sole plate. Otherwise cold air gets behind the plinth bricks. I assume there will be wall ties linking the walls and the plinth bricks. Not sure how that will work with polystyrene sheets. -
Listen, I’ve watched Guy Martin so I know all about air tests… Being serious I figured it might help identify problem areas in the airtight envelope. My thinking was that we would either raise or lower the air pressure inside by sticking either the blow or the suck nozzle through a hole in the temporary loft hatch. Then, by lighting the odd smoke match, we’d get an idea of any significant holes by watching the drift. My intention was to leave the flue open to see how well or otherwise the smoke matches identified issues. Then, having bunged that up, we’d wander round lighting matches to see what we could see. Yet another idea discarded in the ‘didn’t allow time’ dustbin.
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It’s called modern art. Honest. 😉
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Cutting XPS insulation?
G and J replied to Alan Ambrose's topic in General Self Build & DIY Discussion
Or use several layers of thinner stuff cut square. Will the small voids actually matter? -
We’ve a 26m x 6m house. It’s not a simple rectangle but it’s not a silly shape either. We’ve odd foundations as our walls sit 35mm from the outside edge of the founds, so foundations position was unusually critical. We used profiles (meaning odd bits of timber screwed into stakes, and then screws placed for string lines). if you place the profiles sensibly they won’t get dug up and will keep you true. To set out the profiles we used tapes. My oppo isn’t a Pythagoras type of guy but he does know his 3-4-5. (I know, I know). It’s the kind of thing that might take a couple of goes if it’s your first time. But actually, it’s fiddly but not that hard. You can do this if you want to.
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Siting an ASHP when no wall space available?
G and J replied to Steve1309's topic in Air Source Heat Pumps (ASHP)
We’ve put our heat pump 13m from the house with a buried pipe, I think that’s the easy bit. Reducing your heat requirement may help enormously too, though it’s not as exciting. Either way having a plan that details the heat emitters would be a good start. -
Cutting XPS insulation?
G and J replied to Alan Ambrose's topic in General Self Build & DIY Discussion
Handsaw, straight edge, felt pen and practice. Draw a straight line both sides. Stand the sheet up so the lines are vertical and cut watching the lines both sides. I think XPS is polystyrene so it’s easy to work, hand saw is ideal. I didn’t need a mask either (unlike PIR). One left field thought. Polystyrene has a lambda of circa 0.034 thingys. (Thingys stands for whatever the units are, I can’t be arsed googling it). Airtight foam has a lambda of 0.034 thingys too. -
Should I even call you darling? Probably not, but as you (not you specifically, sitting there in your ‘should have been put in the wash weeks ago’ dressing gown, I mean the buildhub fraternity) have been so great a moral support I can’t help feeling some degree of affection. Anyway, there’s no chance of me drawing breath this week, or any week till we move out of the ice box (AKA rental - and thats the polite version, I now have a different name for it), so if I’m going to mark the year in point it has to be now, as a year ago on Tuesday I clambered up onto the roof of da Bungalow and started sliding tiles at my mate Steve. I miss him. He’s not dead or anything - though his dress sense would tell you otherwise - but he’s off the project and that isn’t comfortable. He buggered his shoulder blocking up to damp and hasn't been back working on site since. He still visits to let me know that it’s not up to standard and we should be further on, so basically all the things I know already, but it’s not the same as working together. That was rather fun. In a twisted way. So, how far has a year got us? Insides are plastered out and oven ready for our mist coats, which hopefully start Monday. I’m hoping we’ve no buried leaks or missing cables, time will tell. Outside a small groundwork’s team are half way through connecting the house to the drains. When I dug down to find the capped sewer pipe it looked closer to the surface than I remembered - which featured in the playlist of yet another sleepless night. I’ve quite a wide repertoire of tumble dryer worries, yet another talent courtesy of the build. Thankfully it turns out my water level did me proud and the poo pipes protruding from the house are at the predicted level with respect to the sewer so happy days. It’s really odd building a plastic bag to live in. OK, it’s a well insulated plastic bag, but it’s still a really big plastic bag. It’s beautifully illustrated by our breathing ceilings. We continued the hideously gaudy coloured VCL up the side walls and over the ceilings, putting in as few staples as we could to reduce the number of penetrations. Eventually the house itself was sealed up bar the missing front door and loft hatch. We took the precaution of putting the first layer of loft insulation up to avoid condensation on the ceiling VCL, using “Industrial polypropylene strapping” stapled to underside of the joists before the VCL was put up, so the strapping took the weight rather than the VCL. It worked a treat and even allowed insulation to be laid even where the VCL hadn’t been done. Standing upstairs a weird thing constantly happened. The VCL above us very slowly rose and fell - it was as if the house was breathing. Oddly mesmerising. I should have recorded a video. But there was no time to stand and look. The plasterer had lots in his books so couldn’t get to us till the end of January, so we took that as our target. We had no way of knowing if that was doable (it wasn’t) but the concept was that by setting a target we’d go faster so we charged up the cattle prods. I thought I knew it would be stressful being driven by such a deadline. As in so many build things I had underestimated badly, however. Some things went better than I’d expected. I’d planned to pull in the wires myself but instead Steve the Sparks (the confusingly named son of Steve of the buggered shoulder who did the demo and the founds with me) did it all in a couple of days. The speed of the man, but oh, the radio! He was the first of several with the ubiquitous Makita site radio playing ‘80s stuff. We’d been a no radios site till then. But we had by then lots of fluffy insulation, so I relented as long as it was on indoors only and relatively quiet. And having said yes to one it’s a lot harder to say no to others so the tackers (plasterboarders) and the plasterers all followed suit. Did I really need Bananarama on a loop in my head with everything else whizzing round? Another thing that went well and a quicker than feared was pulling in the water pipes. On the odd moment I was alone on site it took very little time to actually pull the HEP2O pipes through. OK it left a mess of tails above the cylinder but that could be left till after the tackers started. A lot of things got categorised as ‘after the tackers get started’, which was sensible but not always satisfying. The theory of radial plumbing, no joints buried, I found seductive. However the theory floundered when it met the Aqualisa buried shower and bath controls. That continues to cause me angst and will do until I’ve finally accepted that I’ve dealt with the last wet patch (yes, technically it’s called a recurring nightmare). One thing that didn’t go so well was the vent ducts. It wasn’t helped by the fact that I’d decided to go for 90mm rather than the smaller version and we’d ended up with 253mm metal web joists (pozis) rather than the 304mm I’d planned. It also wasn’t helped by a glulam blocking the ideal route from the main house into the loft above the downstairs bedroom. So it was a fiddle, (polite version) and the pressure was on as the duct itself only arrived on the 28th of January, mostly due to a supply issue. I’d thought long and hard about duct routing, but things are never as one imagines. The MVHR unit will sit in the garage next to (but not touching for fear of noise) the wall of the downstairs bedroom. All duct pass through the loft above said bedroom and then enter the house itself. That loft is a disturbing piece of modern art. I’m glad that I will never see it again (fingers crossed). Fifteen 90mm corrugated white tubes bound together wrapped in fluffy brown insulation snaking through the trusses. Where they pass into the house there is a Quatermass of airtight foam, as if the house was punctured by the hydra and it bleed green goo. Getting the insulation up there was surreal. It’s a v restricted space and the only way to do it was to poke my upper body through a gap in the ceiling VCL and distribute the insulation. It pretty much fills the loft now. When I start sleeping properly again I’ll have nightmares about all that. It wasn’t all bad news though. One bit that worked really well was taking all the ducts for upstairs straight up the front gable wall, with the ducts insulated but never passing through the VCL. The bit that didn’t work was the downstairs ducts getting over the glulam. It meant they started their journey into the house with a tight s bend. The corrugated outer skin helped prevent the pipes pulling through the holes in the wall and floor that enabled them to dive down into the posi layer. We also discovered a downside to our very heavily engineered joist plan above our main room. We are very keen to have nice, stiff floors upstairs with little movement. So we ended up with pairs of 147mm posis with only about 240mm gap between each pair. Looking at it there was literally more joist than gap. Felt good to walk on. Getting ducting through however… On top of that we had a flue to avoid, and a barrier formed by two well insulated pipes that run from the UFH manifold to the cylinder via a diversion due to steelwork - another obvious bit that I failed to anticipate. Thank goodness the bookends (the guys doing the solar pv/inverter/battery/UFH/heat pump/UVC/etc.) suggested getting the cylinder in when they did. We call them bookends as either appear to be unable to work without the other. Odd world, innit. So, with those pipes too in place it’s v congested in various areas. Much swearing and jumping up and down onto stepladders and skinned knuckles later and the vent pipes were done, with all 15 vent ducts poking out into the garage like some 1950s comedy alien being. An alien that sits and waits, and when I walk past it it spits distilled water onto me. Seriously. Yet another ‘I’d never have imagined that’ moment. I'm guessing that the warm, wet air from the house is being sucked through all the vent pipes by the passing breezes. The garage is unheated. When that air hits the bit of the ducts in the garage some of the water vapour condenses onto the inner walls of the ducts. As I walk past I cause a disturbance which makes the condensation coalesce into droplets that then fall on me. What a fabulous illustration of how much an MVHR unit needs a drain. Anyway, eventually, meaning two weeks later than hoped, we were ready for the tackers. I’d amassed a long list of ‘I’ll do that when the tackers are here’ tasks, oh my, will I never learn! To start with there was a constant stream of questions from the three guys. All of them reasonable, but they tended to be neatly timed so I’d just start picking up tools to do something myself when I distant “Geoff” would be heard so I’d put everything back down and toddle off to find which bit that particular tacker was staring at. Originally we’d planned to put an OSB layer on all walls and the upstairs ceilings. I'd gone for raised tie trusses to reclaim some of the ceiling heights lost early in the design process. The idea was that the little sloped bit at the top of each wall would be hidden by the extra layer of studs and insulation. It was designed to the millimetre. Mistake. The tackers assured me they would be careful of the ceiling VCL, and indeed they were. The few times they caught the VCL or when it needed easing they called me in to bring my repair tape. (Note to others - put spare VCL at corners, it’s so easy to make it too tight for the tackers). So they convinced us to ditch the ceiling OSB idea. Only if course, I’d factored in the thickness of the OSB into my calcs for the raised tie trusses. So when the walls were boarded in a couple of places the roof bracing was just a tiny bit too low. I should have allowed a contingency but hey ho, double boarding the walls sorted it where needed. Fortunate to say the least. Plasterboard changes the place. We’d spent weeks amongst soft, spongy walls, with insulation sitting behind and in front of the VCL. Very quiet. Lovely in fact. But plasterboard puts all the echo back and then some. Plus it finally shows the rooms for the shape and size they are. Sounds daft given how long we've spent in those rooms but seeing them plasterboarded was a bit of a shock in places. The best example of that is the hallway. Drawing layouts and trying to imagine spaces only gets you so far. We designed in a double height space just inside the front door, nice straight stairs on one side. Bit of a sort of gallery on the other. But it’s huge. I knew all the dimensions by heart but I still didn’t know how big it was going to turn out. We are going to have to get creative to get it feeling right. Fortunately for me our principle aesthetics consultant (i.e. J) is brilliant, so I just know it’ll turn out well. The plasterers were a dream. Tidy, polite, quiet (if you ignore Bananrama and Simply Red constantly playing in the background) and they also did a super job. A pleasure to work with. The only wrinkle was the ergovents. I installed them in their plenums precisely as per the instructions. What a shame I didn’t check with the plasterers first. The instructions said the vents should be either flush or max 1mm below the plasterboard, which I super carefully did. The plasterers started when the upstairs was boarded, and they took one look at the vents and said “no”. They need 3mm to 4mm proud. Turns out the instructions are really targeted on the continent, where, apparently, they rarely skim. We skim. We need more depth. Thank heavens downstairs hadn’t been boarded by then. All but one upstairs I could get to from the loft, slitting the VCL (I really must remember to go back and repair those slits) adjusting the brackets so they could be skimmed properly. The downstairs ones were easy to adjust, ahead of boarding. The plaster has reduced the echo a bit, and as it’s drying and its colour gets lighter it’s given an even better impression of the rooms. The plasterers were much less high maintenance giving Rolly and me time to put the wood cladding on the rear gable (massively more time consuming than expected) which meant that the three skylights could be fitted. Fantastic. I borrowed a leaf blower from Rolly. The intention was to do a half arsed leak test using a temporary loft hatch. Never did get used, we never put the time aside, there was always a short term deadline hogging the priority. We'll find out in time whether it was needed. Another one for the ‘hope’ list.
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Maybe I should have simply accepted a slightly worse floor u-value and gone all polystyrene, but I didn’t find out just how awful PIR is till it was on site and I had started fitting it. I like the sandwiched DPM, not sure how that would work with poured insulation.
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Our BC was happy to see part of the foundations, agreed in advance, as the layout of the site meant we had to dig then pour, dig then pour. Not sure if you've taken a warranty in the end, but out warranty provider had very definite view of what they would and would not accept. In the end they made an additional visit, at a cost, and had to be provided with a multitude of photographs
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Rebuilding after demolishing question
G and J replied to dustyb's topic in General Self Build & DIY Discussion
You have to apply to the valuation office to have council tax stopped, they then advise the local council. We needed to keep paying until we got the decision notice, and although the process took about 6 months the refund was very quick. Take pictures through out the demolishing (unless it's going to be done very quickly....we took several weeks) as you have to evidence the point at which it is uninhabitable (for us roof off/no kitchen or bathrooms). I suspect the process to restart paying will be swifter, but we aren't there yet. -
Week 40 - We’ve moved in!
G and J commented on Benpointer's blog entry in Contemporary build in north Dorset
Congratulations and thank you for documenting the project. I have said before we are behind you (now more than a couple of weeks!) but your project has been a touchstone for keeping the faith that we are on the 'right lines'. There is always an element of luck in these things, but often we enhance the luck we are offered, and I think you have both demonstrated that. Wishing you many happy years in your new home.- 14 comments
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Hence the question. What matters to you most - a good looking roof or max solar?
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Are you using one and a half slates?
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A degree of care re the effective panel width may be vital. Our panels are spaced on GSE trays so their total width is more than just n times the panel width itself. We went for 8 panels wide as 9 would have made the verges look too mean. How wide are your slates?
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Well, one can always transform PIR off cuts into modern art…. I took ours to the recycling centre, putting it into the non recyclable container. We just worked bloody hard to have as little waste as possible. We’ve got a layer of polystyrene on our slab wherein sits our poo pipes. I did exactly that, I pushed broken up polystyrene beads dry into the air gaps round the pipes after I’d applied the foam to keep them in place. Our DPM then went on top then our PIR, so no danger of the beads floating in screed.
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Shower tray fitting on wood decking
G and J replied to G and J's topic in Bathrooms, Ensuites & Wetrooms
Oh well, if I should have allowed for 12mm ply throughout upstairs then I need to add another line on the “I screwed up” list. Ho humm. But our stairs are in and the levels are set for 9mm total floor covering depth - 6mm ply plus ~3mm of LVT. We’ve no thresholds between rooms as we want a continuous floor treatment throughout. So the electric matting goes onto the chipboard, with the levelling compound. We’ve been recommended a local flooring company who are happy to apply the levelling compound on the UFH mats I install. I’ll be putting the shower trays direct onto the chipboard as I’d rather not see a line of ply under them. Perhaps my next step is to test fit the trays and see how flat, stable and level they are, and then take it from there. -
Shower tray fitting on wood decking
G and J replied to G and J's topic in Bathrooms, Ensuites & Wetrooms
Thank you Nick. Upstairs is Kronospan Fast Clean chipboard. The majority of upstairs will have 6mm ply with posh lino bits glued on. In the main bathroom we will instead have an electric UFH mat thingy with a layer of levelling goo, then the posh lino bits. The UFH mat will not extend under the shower tray, I had assumed it would just sit with the lino butting up against it, but there’s no reason I can’t screw down a layer of 6mm ply if it’s a good idea. I assume the ply still needs priming.
