MikeSharp01

Perhaps Sharia then... Its a cooperative effort no lending or borrowing - technically not benefiting from lending or borrowing I think!

V funny - for recursion see recursion, I took meta as meaning somewhat abstract - middle men / women who provide the service but somewhat abstract from it by the process of linking, in the case of P2P, people together in a virtual space - while taking a cut. So as far as you are concerned you are linked to a peer but in fact this link could be of almost limitless abstraction depending on the set up. It is, after all, a form of financial engineering is it not.

Crowd funding is a bit of an umbrella term covering a number of models some of which are charitably based, others commercial and others personal. They do not all have a repayment model some have an in kind return - IE a free flight in the restored airplane or free product from the first production batch others have a share concept with returns based on dividends. Peer to peer has been discussed here before and is more commercial. Both are largely unregulated and are delivered through on-line platforms some of which buffer the risks in the Peer to peer space I have not come across any buffering by the intermediary (meta middlemen) in the crowdfunding space.

Sorry Jeremy didn't mean to imply anything else, I think your post was clear in setting out the context and the product, I was perhaps too free with the term - I have edited my post.

I have a little MAKITA one which just does two axis, great for most activity - never quite worked out why you would need three axis - but I am confident I will be told. I also have a concern that mine, and the others I played with before I purchased, project lines about 3-4 pencil line widths wide which I find frustrating 0.3mm wide would be ideal and not technically difficult but none of those I tried came close, in the end I try and mark in the centre of the line.

One last blast, if me learned friend pleases. - Godwin's law is perhaps like several forms of speech / conversational signposts that prey on the limited knowledge of people - very few have knowledge of similar despots so the number of options, when a particular situation occurs in conversation is limited to the use of common mode similes such as the person above mentioned. Returning to Solar farms then we might surmise that this thread has just about exhausted the solar farm discussion. We have ranged from members experience of growing hemp - purely in the interests of science, to the calorific value of various crops, swung by the general mastication (I hope I spelled that right) of sheep and their propensity to chew on wires, via the visual impact of the farm on the marshes - it will be visible from the main drag the A299, meandered past the need for nuclear power, discussed getting in the bulk cells deal and the even more burgeoning need for energy storage. All in - with a couple of side tracks into new words and two unmentionable subjects the B word and H word, not a bad basis for my discussion with will no doubt be a very slick sales team at the consultation next week. Thanks all.

When I started this thread I had no idea it would go the way it has gone. One thing I have learned - and in learning I have coined (not BIT) a new word for the dictionary. 'BRENTROPY' after James R Newman, and to a certain extent thermodynamics, in that every conversation tends to Brexit unlike entropy in James's definition where everything tends to "death and disorder". At the core of my definition however lies the concept of uncertainty which seems to not unreasonably sum it up. Ho Hum.

Sad thread Dave and most frustrating for you. Being caught up a situation beyond your making and control is unenviable. We all feel for you - keeping the faith and persevering will get you through it.

Serious engineering though...

Loose / Loose - but only beans are grown on this land it is grade 3b agricultural apparently!

Well it will do no harm to ask will it.

The thing that interests me is to see if I can get them to let me add my 20 panels, and those of other locals who might want in on the deal, to their order as the unit price will be stonking -

Well next week I will pop along to the local consultation event for UK's largest solar farm which will be just down the road from Whitstable in Graveney. It will have 350MW, 4 x the current largest, at peak output and spread over 890 acres. I know what I think - what do you think? Loads on the Web - neatly balanced description HERE from the Guardian.

I wonder if this came out of or is designed to compete with a similar app I was shown by IBM in 2012 - can't recall what it was called but it was all about buildings, people, routes and assets. It could draw plans and put in the people who worked there - not sure it had an 3D capability.

An unenviable task but there is loads on here about purchasing windows.

My study is about 5m at the peak - it does not feel cavernous even though it is taller than it is wide or deep.

Welcome and great to have you aboard. Where abouts in the process of self building are you?

You may be right but we initially had Equitone as the cladding and the scheme was specified with UV facade underneath it. The build up came from a design of a house in Guildford although we also look at an EPDM undersheet. So anybody thinking of using it should check.

Actually that is correct - Tyvek do a facade membrane that does the job @ about £4 m2!

If you are thinking of going for the underskin / rainscreen approach loads of other options become available in addition to timber. For instance take a look at things like Equitone panels.

You could have saved yourself a lot of the intermediate work by just saying the same thing earlier in the build by making shadow gaps instead of skirting and architraving. I spent all day on Wednesday fitting 1 piece of dry lining pboard around 2/3 of a door frame with its shadow gap beading in the Garden room. Lucky there are only three doors and two windows in there. The main house has 9 doors and 11 windows on the whole skirting and architraving feels like it would be less work.

Curious that cos if I had not known that you knew something like that would be coming I would not have written it. How predictable we all are.

Just remind me what was colour of that pot the kettle spoke of.

No because you have no way of knowing which half the needle is in with the haystack example. If you did the binary chop would be the fastest way to find it. Yes - provided there is enough flow it should work.

I think it probably comes down to horses for courses. If all software had to go through the same processes as new medicinal drugs we would probably still be where we were in 1983 - so its probably a cost / complexity / value / benefit issue. Formal methods are used rightly perhaps when safety, and these days security, is at the core and sometimes, even then when it really matters, you need three formal methods focused teams working independently from the same functional specification to develop a code solution which can then be used to saturate test the other two. If all the tools also have to be developed using the same approaches the costs run away into a land that nobody wishes to go. So you have the other approach, which is curiously more human, our wet logic is very buggy after all, so engineers and others surround us with protection that allows us to use our buggy wetware and survive. Air bags and auto saves are examples of these approaches in action which also allow the systems around us to fail - burst tyre causing a crash for instance where the air bags deploy to save lives, or the blue screen of death - is that still a thing, appears but your document appears again when you restart. It is true that in some circumstances, usually arising from changes since the software / system was first envisaged, it looks like the software was badly built but you cannot build in environmental changes at the point of design. So I am relatively confident that the software in the chopper evolved over time, new engines for instance, which implies that at some time it was not longer fit for purpose no matter how diligent the implementation was. On the flip side however the issue of letting the public be the test team is, I agree, very frustrating but the ability to automate bug feedback helps massively and makes the evolutionary path clearer as bugs in bits of the software nobody uses are not found while the really useful bits evolve very quickly and stabilise - while you pay only a few quid for the product rather than millions.