Nickfromwales

Sounds more like an affair If you've got the money I've got the time

You can massively shorten the distance by wrapping a soaking wet cloth around the pipe immediately before the fitting. It varies too much to give a one shot answer, tbh, as if you solder a pipe before it goes vertical it's going to heat upwards very quickly and much further along the copper, but if it goes downwards then it's reduced by quite a lot. Try and solder up the copper work after mocking it up, as I do, and solder it away from the job. When cool, offer it up and push it into the pushfit pipe.

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There are more I can keep posting them until you get the trap doors out of your head not one of these has any other access than through the flush plate. Bingo.

You're sure total waste of time and effort. There is nothing serviceable OUTSIDE of the cistern. Anything INSIDE the cistern gets taken apart / serviced / replaced as per the demo vid. Bob's your uncle.

Iirc, @DamonHD is now registered here so maybe he'll offer his opinion when he gets 5 mins

Fwiw, I've NEVER had one of these units give me a moments grief ( when fitted correctly ) and I've done a good few. They used to have a crap connector at the bottom do the cistern but now it's a much better solution which is idiot proof ( just ask me ! ).

Your fitter needs to get into 2016 No need whatsoever for access. That's only if his plumbing to the unit fails.

I got 96 but thought I'd left it too long to get any credibility. Ed, step away from the calculator.

You could always duct to the boiler position internally and have the meter inside .

Solar PV?

"All hail the ale".

Yup. Operation can-o-worms can be set aside. good call. FYI, messing with those can start them clacking or chattering under part flow ( when not fully open or closed ) so best left alone IMO.

I've not seen an all plastic one with water controls / attenuation built in, just the plastic spurs. I used the hep ones so I could bring services into play as and when they were second fixed, and to make the concealed ( semi pedestal basins ) remotely isolatable so you never need to get 'to' the connections underneath. Made the terminations so much easier, 10mm hep into a 10x15mm spigot reducer and then the flexi fixed directly to that. Without the individual isolations you can't make the manifold live until every pipe is connected, tested, purged clear and cap-ended. A right pita when second fixing 4 bathrooms, a kitchen, utility, etc as you'd be continually draining down the lot, connecting and testing the next added circuit and repeating. There was another 2-port manifold fitted there afterwards for the non softned water which fed the chilled drinking tap at the kitchen sink, ( which also had the outside tap teed off it ), and the central heating filling loop. I'm not familiar with Tiemme and couldn't see anything similar from a quick search of their website. I used Hepworth ( and a couple of JG fittings on that job Hepworth weren't available same day from the local supplier so needs must ) as exclusively as I could on that job as they're very well made bits of kit and the Hepworth fittings are bullet and bomb proof. I also like the slimline stainless steel inserts which don't impact on the internal bore diameter as much as the likes of JG do.

Text excerpt. See 4th from bottom for confirmation Application purpose For installation of a wall-hung WC with bolt fixings set at 180 or 230 mm centres For installation in a room-height Duofix system wall in front of a solid or drywall construction For mounting in front of a solid or drywall construction For a screed of 0 - 200 mm (not in room height applications) For connecting Geberit AquaClean Any boarding must be fixed tight up against the face of the Duofix frame and screwed directly to the frame. Characteristics Self-supporting Frame with C profile 40/40 mm Powder-coated frame, ultramarine blue Galvanised leg supports, steplessly adjustable 0 - 200 mm Feet can be retracted 5 cm Rotating foot plate, for installation in UW50 and UW75 profiles Frame with holes ø 9 mm for fastening in wood frame construction Sound-absorbing actuator rods, tool-free, fast adjustment Easy to clean coating on glass and metal Concealed cistern fully insulated against condensation Concealed cistern for tool-free mounting and maintenance Frame height 1120 mm With wall brackets to allow up to a 200 mm duct. For larger ducts up to 400 mm use extension bolts 111.887.00.1 Tool-free fastening for outlet bend, sound-absorbing, adjustable in depth with 8 positions, adjustable range 45 mm Connection hose to angle stop valve can be screwed without tools Water supply connection at centre back or at the top Geberit Sigma concealed cistern 12 cm (UP320) with front actuation Dual flush with Sigma80 touchless, Sigma60, Sigma50, Sigma20, Sigma10 touchless, Sigma01 or Bolero flush plates Single flush with Sigma10 or Tango flush plates Dual flush with pneumatic and mechanical buttons Single flush with touchless flush or pneumatic buttons The protection cover protects the service opening against moisture and dirt and can be mounted without tools and cut to length Universal water supply connection compatible with MeplaFix, can be mounted and operated without tools Self-locking feet for tool-free alignment of the frame, (friction feet have to be locked with spanner) For pans with contact surfaces smaller than 170 mm (see accessory 111.847.00.1) Flush valve features settings to enable either a 6l and 3l flush or a 4.5l and 3l flush. For flush volumes of 4l and 2l a low flush beaker is required (241.894.00.1) Note: must be used with pans designed for low volume flush. The cistern can be operated with used water (rainwater) provided it is passed through a filter system first. Technical data Flow pressure range 0.1-10 bar Operating temperature water max. 25 °C Flush volume small range 3-4 l Flush volume factory setting 5.8 and 3 l Scope of delivery 2 Duofix PreWall brackets for system Water supply connection R 1/2" male BSP parallel thread with integrated angle stop valve and hand wheel Conduit pipe for the water supply connection of Geberit AquaClean Flush bend Protection plug Protection housing for service opening 2 threaded rods M12 for ceramics fastening WC connection set, ø 90 mm WC outlet bend, HDPE, ø 90 mm Adaptor sleeve, HDPE, ø 90/110 mm Fastening material Excluded: Flush plate

ok. I'll sleep on it. New plan to follow.....

Yup. Lazy way of piping imho. Typical of new mass produced builds......quick and easy, and as long as it works until the cheques cleared. I'll stick to my method. OZ, the writings on the wall..,,,,.plate

I doubt it'll go anywhere as the ply shoe you've made will spread the weight proportionally across the insulation. I'd set the bath so it's just touching the tiles, literally a fag paper off and then mask around it. Lift it and apply a sealant and lower it down again. It'll be easy enough to separate that later should the need ever arise, and then a silicone overcoat for colour match / final sealing. No need for stainless imo but I do seal the ply first with a very pissy mix of water / pva. Forgot to mention earlier, don't use tile adhesive to fix the tiles to the ply, they'll come away as good as look at them . I use cheap n cheerful silicone to stick the tiles on, with 50p sized blobs every 100mm centred. Bombproof.

The wet dab rots the box for one .

I believe they come with a 110mm outlet that you can reduce back to the 90mm diameter if so required. I think they cater for the wider audience as standard have a look here and you can see removable the tail piece on the soil outlet

I doth my cap sir. Your doing a 100% 'nick quality' bathroom there mate. Word of advice, when you come to final fix all the plywood, you'll need to glue fack out of it to keep it from parting company from the framework. If you don't heed the words of the tile master ( my unofficial title, but apparently the queen saw my last job and is considering the title of Sir Tilealot ) then you'll have all the tile cuts opening up from the trims and it'll look like the San Andreas fault runs around the bath edges. Glue and screw the living day lights out of it, like a screw every 50-60mm. Sounds bonkers, but you won't say that if you don't do it and have to grout it every other month.

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They're all Hepworth. I supplied the materials with the customer paying direct in their own name ( so they could claim the vat ). I used my local supplier and he delivered to site for £100 ( fuel cost ) plus £100 cash bribe for the van driver which I paid as we needed them before the due date ( as no SE could be found to give me a sign off for my proposal to put that lot in the generous ( wasted ) attic space ( as per my original quote ) where the MVHR also resided. Behind that lot was the utility with a Vaillant gas boiler serving that TS. PV was mentioned but not there at the time so I recommended gas due to the remit being 3 showers run in unison, without compromise, hence the accumulator.

Hi and welcome. Is the extension going to make the room open plan?

One tmv on the hot outlet of the uvc set to 50oC to allow for any loss between cylinder and kitchen / utility, and then I'd feed a basin-only manifold with a secondary tmv set to 46oc ( "unassisted" doc M recommendation ). If you zoom in you'll see cold manifold on the left, a primary tmv ( grey cap ) set to 50/51o C ) feeding a 6 way 'full range hot' manifold, and then a secondary tmv ( blue cap ) set to the lower ( user definable ) temp for the wash hand basins only ( in this case 4 in No; and fed with 10mm pipe to reduce wait time for premium temp water to reach the tap. Given hindsight I'd have fed the secondary tmv directly off the hot outlet to reduce the dead leg before it ( 28mm to the primary tmv ) but was against the clock there ( as I had to make that airing cupboard before I could fit the tanks! )