Nickfromwales

About £8,500 worth of kit if NOT optimised, so ~£4,500 - £5,000 installation costs ( not labour costs ). A bit heavy tbh as a standing seam ‘on roof’ is a pretty simple install if all on a single mono pitch elevation?

TRV’s are cheap and reliable, and reasonably accurate tbh. Been fitting central heating for nearly 30 years so I’ve installed ‘a few’ of them. Manifolds are fine, done plenty of them to rads via actuators / wall-mounted room stat per room, but a bit OTT tbh. I mostly employ this type of system strategically in major developments / builds / refurbishments so you’re not continuously draining down and re-filling as the project progresses. Why are you so averse to standard series plumbing? Copper pipe with soldered joints are good for a minimum of 30 years, and I have hundreds of these types of installs under my belt without issue. Yes the odd leak here and there at the point of commission, but no different to any other system. Guys installed with Pressfit for me the other day, 2 failed joints, and a PITA to cut back and re-make the duff ones as the pipe gets compromised with the compression of the joint. Soldered joints; just re-flux and sweat it again ( if it has leaked from the first fill up ). Zero manifolds, additional pumps and controls / manifolds wiring centres etc if you install ‘traditionally’. Remember that you can go for smart TRV’s and “whole of house” smart heating controls for not much money.

Dead simple. As you say, it just gets retrofitted. It gets inserted into the correct sized gap and ‘works it’s magic’ from there. Your brickie will need to be very meticulous when running / returning the brickwork and they need to leave you the correct, continuous gapping to allow this retrofit.

+1.

Amazon for those vacuum sealed big bags?

I can ask a mate, but tbh I’ve not done a job in Wales for over 4 1/2 years 😵‍💫 so a bit ‘detached’ from my old pool of fitter / mates in the trade here theses days. I’ve cut a fresh set of grooves in the bloody Severn bridge. @connick159 what make is the ASHP

Yup. Bang a few extra 130mm x 6.0 screws in for belt & braces.

Make slightly oversized holes for the flexis, and use Illbruck foam around. Leave to cure and cut flush to PIR. Then foam for bigger / CT1 for smaller, inside the ducts, then tape.

Yup. Defo not good as a final floor surface as it’s typically quite friable. An LVT or mats will give you a nice surface and, as said, take the chill off the concrete. Look to installing a split AC unit for heating and cooling?

Fully loaded / no satellite manifolds is my go-to for every plumbing installation we do. I won’t deviate from that. I would drill at around a 60° angle and go for 5x 52mm core holes, with the holes ending up tight against the underside of the slab, and insert 50mm waste pipe into each hole as a sleeve. You’d leave a pier of 150mm of block remaining between each hole for ‘structural integrity’. You’ll get a lot of individual runs through the 50mm sleeve and it’ll be easier to drill fewer, larger holes, so maybe drill 5 holes. Use a 16mm or 18mm x 1000mm drill bit to get the angle correct, using it as a pilot / guide only, and have a couple of attempts ( if required ) until you get the entry and exit holes exactly where you want them. Remove the drill bit from the drill and re-insert it into the best hole, leaving it protruding by 3-400mm or more; eg so it gives you a line to use as a visual angle finder whilst you’re core drilling. You then just keep the drill at the matching angle whilst drilling, so you don’t go astray. Yes, starting off the core drill at an angle will be a bastard, so, you get a piece of 7x2” timber and pre-drill into it with a wood hole saw, 5x 52mm @ 60° and affix it to the wall. Start the 5 core holes off, drilling 100mm or so into the block for each hole, them stop and remove the timber guide. It’ll make drilling the rest of the way through easier as the dust / debris can fall out sooner. Bingo bango. When laying the pipes through, strategise installing the 10mm pipes first, 2 or 3 per hole, so they can be dressed in into clips. Then have the 15mm pipes lay atop those to make the bottleneck of pipes on the vertical wall better organised / flush to the vertical wall (as the bigger pipes will have the longer bending radius ).

Your chaps are spot on here, and it’s great to hear them saying this to you as they obviously know theirs stuff. 👌👍

Indeed, as if it’s not “worth” capturing with a costly battery / other diversion then 8 agree it’s just simpler to let some leak away. In the grand scheme it’s an acceptable loss but agreed to be the ‘final destination’ for anything generated.

Yup, you’ll need a bigger buffer, agreed, but £3k now is bucketloads cheaper than all the faff and retrofitting of another device later on / more complex controls / integration etc etc. Physical size will be smaller and neater than an oil boiler being retrospectively plonked alongside the ASHP . You won’t really get a smaller oil boiler either way, so if you want oil then discussing size is moot ( and needs to be based on a min of 15/16kW for this exercise.

OK. I'll retract 'hog', and give serious consideration to 'wash' being downgraded also. DISCLAIMER: I automatically assumed that nobody would want to install a domestic microgeneration system, designed to provide the grid with cheap power, at their own significant cost.

Is everyone here remembering that they DO NOT NEED 3ph to have a wedge of solar and batteries?

Hog wash. Hybrid inverter; then a field full of panels + lorry-load of batteries enjoy zero DNO nonsense.

I can't spell it lol. Fill yer boots

To not install a softener is madness, sorry. Knowing that all the crud and scale is growing on / in everything, from the day you switch on, and doing nothing proactively to defend against / prevent this from happening makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever. Showering in glorious soft water is fantastic, vs the hotels I stay in ( when behind enemy lines ) where I need to use 3 times more shampoo / gel etc is something I couldn't cope with or get used to, let alone justify choosing NOT to mitigate against! "Go soft or go home, lol". Probably a good time to remind the masses that manufacturers of certain equipment / appliances / outlets will stipulate that; beyond a certain PPM of hardness their warranty goes south and the installer / owner should mitigate, howsoever, to prevent damage / early failure of said equipment. Just "no". Sorry!

If you go for a solid fuel appliance, then you have to allow for terminal failure scenarios, like the WBS being over loaded and the heat demand being zero, so the WBS eventually boils the water and steam becomes the killer. Unless you plan for a sealed and pressurised WBS with a cold mains fed quench coil, forget the setup that you show in your picture. 100% no go. Fit an oil hybrid ASHP from the get-go. LINK Simples.

Indeed. But surely this is down to the laws of physics; as juice out vs juice in is an electrical ballet between the flow of said juice through the 3 coils that perform the metering registering positively or negatively dependant on the sum of the activity of each coil at any given moment? Ergo, net metering is happening regardless of request / intention as it’s a physical occurrence. It would be down to the hardware, yes, and the software registering flow in both directions ( and reflecting that in the reading of the meter display ).

All depends on what the heat sources are. Typically low grade heat gets injected much lower down the cylinder and vice versa. Heat sources are?

To go 90% of the way installing manifolds + radial pipes, and then discount 2 pipes and add extra satellite manifolds seems crazy to me tbh, and I’ll argue is more costly, more complex / impactful, and less efficient use of time / funds. You have to purchase, mount ( and have access to ) the satellite manifold(s) and each manifold then has to have pipes from that to the individual outlets anyways! Drilling 2 or 4 or 6 more holes through a breeze block would take about 30 mins ( and that’s if you had a cup of tea in the other hand which you didn’t want to spill ). But I would be doing what @TerryE says and knock out a letterbox sized hole, load it with short lengths of pvc pipe, and pull the Hep2o through those ( so they don’t get scratched badly by rough surfaces whilst being pulled for the long distances. The major benefits of radial are a) zero joints between appliance and plant, and b) uniform flow rates. If you take 1x cold line to a satellite manifold then that would have to be 22mm pipe and a 3/4” manifold to achieve the same results / dynamic flow rates. More difficult / costly etc than 2 more 15mm or 10mm pipe runs. 👎

If it's a low temp dwelling, then the cheap manifolds usually only feature a regular TMV with a lowest setting of 30oC, which choke to death at that setting. I'd allow £500 for the Ivar pump / blending valve + Komfort manifold. So above + £300 basically. Still a lot of DIY bang for the buck!! @JohnMo could you post a link to that ASHP please? Just interested to read up about it as it sounds VERY cheap.

Ok, so you can choose which meter gets installed?

OK, that MAY work without the additional pump, but you'd have to accept a trial & error install and the plumber having to chop the pump in, in the event of it not performing as we'd hope. Up to you to accept that, as it flies in the face of your plumber.