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As the water heats and expands in the sealed system it'll increase in pressure and cause the PRV to open. This loss of water will result in pressure loss once cooled.
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So, you've found the issue. From what you've written it sounds like you're still looking though?
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How much technical detail should a construction drawing show?
MJNewton replied to Adsibob's topic in Damp & DPCs
Yes - completely agree. Furthermore, if it stops further ingress of water that can only be a good thing whilst the decision is made what to do next. -
Yes, entirely normal. After about 1/2-3/4 turns most LSVs are for all intents and propose fully open. Because of this only small adjustments should/can be made.
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Flow should be the hottest, and Return coolest. How that correlates to the TRV and LSV depends on which way round they have been fitted. TRVs used to be directional - and hence would be located at the Flow end - but these days non chattering valve inserts are generally used thus making them bidirectional. Whether new or old you will have to work out which way round each of yours are by measuring the temperatures as you have been doing. Not that it matters too much for balancing - it will always be the LSV that you will be adjusting regardless which end of the radiator it has been put.
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DIY retrofit MVHR design for beginners
MJNewton replied to Ommm's topic in Mechanical Ventilation with Heat Recovery (MVHR)
Whilst MVHR might help with heat-related 'stuffiness', it won't do much for the heat itself. The combination of the low heat capacity of air and the relatively low flow rates means it is not a good solution. -
Yeah, bought one about a year ago. Still haven't used it!!
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That sort of thing doesn't bother me. It HAUNTS me!! 😂
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Looks lovely - well done. Perfect time of year to be completing a room like that!
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If you do run the MVHR (I would - find it great for drying washing so the dehumidfying effect is definitely there) keep the filters in place. They protect the heat exchanger from becoming fouled up.
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MJNewton replied to Coanda's topic in Mechanical Ventilation with Heat Recovery (MVHR)
Yeah, and suggests there's something wrong with the figures (or something external that is skewing them). -
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MJNewton replied to Coanda's topic in Mechanical Ventilation with Heat Recovery (MVHR)
If the calculation focuses on how much the supply temperature has risen it doesn't consider where the source of that heat comes from, or rather assumes it is all from heat transferred from the extracted air. The reality is that some heat may have come from the air surrounding the box itself, the contribution of which will be greater with a poorly insulated unit than a well insulated one. Similarly with one that leaks air compared to one that is airtight. Hence poor units get 'rewarded' (as in appear better) than better ones using such a calculation. If you take an alternative approach that isn't based on supply temperature but factors in exhaust temperature (i.e. it views the unit from the opposite direction in terms of heat transfer), then that same heat leakage that artificially increases the supply temperature is picked up by the increase in exhaust temperature and results in a decrease in calculated efficiency. Thus poor units now get 'punished' for any leakage that exists. -
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MJNewton replied to Coanda's topic in Mechanical Ventilation with Heat Recovery (MVHR)
I was going to comment on that actually as I am not quite sure how that has happened. The temperature sensors haven't been swapped round have they? -
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MJNewton replied to Coanda's topic in Mechanical Ventilation with Heat Recovery (MVHR)
Forgive me sounding so negative but if you take the simple ( Supply - Intake ) / ( Extract - Intake ) calculation method that gives ( 13.4 - 12.1 ) / ( 14.4 - 12.1 ) = 57% which isn't all that high? Better than 0% of course so heat is being recovered, but it's not really in the ball park (85%+) that is realistically achievable with these units. -
Sliding patio doors - tolerance when fitted??
MJNewton replied to Cecil's topic in Introduce Yourself
In our case whilst we wanted it low profile we weren't after flush (there's nearly a brick height drop on the outside anyway so benefits would be limited). I think we've got around 10-15mm above finished floor level. It might be technically slightly less actually given the finishing strip over the edge of the wooden flooring. I do remember being worried about threshold height and at what point would it be too high. Part of the subsequent thought process was to become better informed through first-hand experience so I set about measuring existing door threshold heights - which had never caused any issue - and couldn't believe how high some of them were! I suppose your brain unconsciously deals with that sort of thing. Bit different between a front door and a wide glass opening to the garden of course but it did remind me not to worry too much about such things. I still did though.- 18 replies
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MJNewton replied to Cecil's topic in Introduce Yourself
I seem to recall our sliders had a gap of 10mm all round. They did remark that it was one of the squarest openings they'd ever measured so may well have taken a tighter tolerance than usual!- 18 replies
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MJNewton replied to Coanda's topic in Mechanical Ventilation with Heat Recovery (MVHR)
It looks great. and very neat! The sort of thing deserving of a perspex lid and internal lights... 😆 As mentioned above though it does seem rather on the small side, or am I being tricked by the perspective? Maximising contact time in the HEX is what's important; it doesn't matter how big the unit itself is. You will likely find that as your air flows increase the efficiency will drop - there's only a certain amount of transfer capacity available. You mentioned about sourcing fans; what are you using at the moment and are they representative flow-wise of what you are ultimately seeking? -
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MJNewton replied to Coanda's topic in Mechanical Ventilation with Heat Recovery (MVHR)
They are usually centrifugal EC fans which tend to be manufactured as OEM for inclusion into other supplier's products and so aren't quite so readily available directly to end users. They can be found though (examples) but there are a whole bunch of design parameters you'd need to know to narrow the search down e.g. airflow, noise, size, control etc. -
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MJNewton replied to Coanda's topic in Mechanical Ventilation with Heat Recovery (MVHR)
Yeah, if the unit is in a warm room then the supply-referenced calculation can result in apparent higher efficiency figures because the heat from the room warms a poorly insulated unit up and thus in turn creates a higher supply temperature too. With yours being in the attic though you won't be picking up that 'extra' heat if the ambient temoertaure is closer to the that of the intake. Internal thermal bridges will still lead to differences in results against an extract-based calculation to though. An average of both methods is arguably the best overall approach if you're after a single figure. -
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MJNewton replied to Coanda's topic in Mechanical Ventilation with Heat Recovery (MVHR)
The labels are a little confusing, but I think I can work them out by their relative values. One way of calculating efficiency of the heat exchanger (although it's not perfect as a poorly insulated unit will result in higher figures if it allows heat from the room in) is simply: ( Supply - Intake ) / ( Extract - Intake ) Thus, with your figures: ( 15.0 - 12.8 ) / ( 16.7 - 12.8 ) = 0.56 56% efficiency isn't great given that >90% is readily achievable with off-the-shelf systems but I'd say it seems pretty good for something homemade though - it's certainly working! -
Simple economics of supply and demand, ecomies of scale etc. Square/flat(?) insulation is used absolutely everywhere - floors, walls, roofs - and in large amounts. Tapered insulation is, I assume, only found in flat roofs. And even then very rarely given that firrings and standard insulation does the job perfectly fine in 99.9% of cases. So what does the 0.1% represent? Dunno. Maybe the need for minimising height buildup, or minimising installation time?
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I would expect the cost of timber firrings + standard insulation boards to be considerably less than tapered insulation boards alone.
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I can't drill straight holes for the life of me
MJNewton replied to DanBog's topic in General Self Build & DIY Discussion
I must admit it is always a concern when price isn't up front. It usuallly means it'll be significantly more than what you want/expect it to be! -
I can't drill straight holes for the life of me
MJNewton replied to DanBog's topic in General Self Build & DIY Discussion
Saw this and thought it might be of interest!
