vk108 Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Hi, I have read a topic on Creaking floor & Impact noise on this forum, but I could not find it now. Could some one send me the link please. I am designing at the moment just wanted make sure, I can avoid Creaking floors & Impact noise at design stage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex C Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 I assume this it timber framed house. You could have a liquid screed to the upper floor. The cheapest and very effective option is resilient bar and double slab plasterboard on ground floor ceiling with rockwool fitted in the void. Make sure the deck on the first floor is glued and screwed in place not just nailed. Carpet upstairs is also your friend. Check out the Robust detail handbook. It covers everything you will need to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 The 2 things are separate. Creaking floors are usually the result of nailing, not screwing, the floorboards down, and not using any glue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 6 minutes ago, ProDave said: Creaking floors are usually the result of nailing, not screwing, the floorboards down, and not using any glue. Even some of our floors that were screwed down squeak (although far less than the ones that didn't get screws). The glue is the key, imo. I believe Egger board suggest only fixing one end of their boards with screws and using adhesive-only everywhere else. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC45 Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Hi, Next house we do will have joists every 400mm, boards glued and screwed down. mad not to use sound insulation in the floor & 15mm PB isn't much more than 12.5mm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonshine Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Alex C said: The cheapest and very effective option is resilient bar and double slab plasterboard on ground floor ceiling with rockwool fitted in the void. That won't do a great deal for the impact noise, the most effect method is a floating floor via resilient layer under floor, or carpet with a decent underlay. Edited March 18, 2019 by Moonshine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 40 minutes ago, CC45 said: Next house we do will have joists every 400mm, boards glued and screwed down. mad not to use sound insulation in the floor & 15mm PB isn't much more than 12.5mm. The next house I do will either have a liquid screen upstairs, or use structural concrete for the upstairs floor. The impact noise in my house drives me mental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitpipe Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 8 minutes ago, jack said: The next house I do will either have a liquid screen upstairs, or use structural concrete for the upstairs floor. The impact noise in my house drives me mental. So you've ruled out a bungalow then Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToughButterCup Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 12 minutes ago, jack said: [...] The impact noise in my house drives me mental. Aha ! That explains a lot. Mmmmm hmmmmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan52 Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 16 minutes ago, jack said: The next house I do will either have a liquid screen upstairs, or use structural concrete for the upstairs floor. The impact noise in my house drives me mental. With a bit of practice you will soon be able to glide in your 9 inch stilettos so don't give up just yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 7 minutes ago, Declan52 said: With a bit of practice you will soon be able to glide in your 9 inch stilettos so don't give up just yet. All those tips you gave me haven't worked. I think you're a better glider than a teacher. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 16 minutes ago, Bitpipe said: So you've ruled out a bungalow then Jack Actually, I lived in a bungalow from age 6 to 18. So yes, I've ruled that out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue B Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 I loved a concrete floor upstairs. We’re doing the same again this time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitpipe Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Just now, jack said: Actually, I lived in a bungalow from age 6 to 18. So yes, I've ruled that out! And there is the solution to your problem. Build your next house when the kids leave home Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Just now, Bitpipe said: And there is the solution to your problem. Build your next house when the kids leave home That's the plan. More time, more money, and no forwarding address for the kids. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonshine Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 51 minutes ago, jack said: The next house I do will either have a liquid screen upstairs, or use structural concrete for the upstairs floor. The impact noise in my house drives me mental. Concrete with a floating floor will give so so so so much better performance that significant majority of timber floor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreadnaught Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Question from ignorance: is is possible to have a concrete (first) floor in a timber-frame house (such as with an MBC frame)? (Its not relevant for my first build as its a bungalow but already thinking ahead…) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Punter Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Dreadnaught said: Question from ignorance: is is possible to have a concrete (first) floor in a timber-frame house (such as with an MBC frame)? (Its not relevant for my first build as its a bungalow but already thinking ahead…) Not as a structural upper floor, but you can have a screed or use ScreedBoard overlay. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nod Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 The key is the glue Lots of it Gun nailing is absolutely fine As long as you use a ring nail and making sure there is a good exspansion gap around the perimeter Mine are I joists set at 600 To make them more solid I counter battened the underside with 100 x 25 at 400 centres 140 mtrs of flooring not a squeak to be heard I know my wife got quite upset at the amount of glue dribbling down the joists Doesn’t look great at the time But does the trick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 I second lots of glue on egger board and joists at 400 centres, we have no squeaks whatsoever, I do wish however that I had double boarded the ceilings downstairs or used resilience bars as voice can be heard between floors more than I would have liked and we do have 100mm sound insulation in the void. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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