Cost of creating 20 meters of site access driveway.

[epsilonGreedy]

The seller of my plot has offered to bump start my self build by throwing in a 20m site access drive.

 

The multi plot site already has a decent shared site access road comprised of hardcore and topped with a finer grade (think apples and plums) brown stone base aggregate. My plot borders this access road and the proposal is to spur this existing site road into my plot for 20 meters in an area that will become the plot's permanent private drive and hard standing parking area outside the garage. A gravel topped private drive is prescribed in the planning permission.

 

My plot is level close cut ex horse pasture that gets a bit squelchy after 2" of rain in a winter week.

 

What is the value of this offer?

Edited February 14, 2018 by epsilonGreedy

[Oz07]

Work it out 20*5*.3 volume say. Put that into online call to get stone volume and Muckaway if not keeping on site. Then add 20m of geo membrane and a day for a man and decent machine. 

 

If that is how basic the access will be

[PeterW]

Depends what he uses ....

 

20m x 3m wide scrape off of 200mm of top soil is around 15 cubic metres or a Lorry load of muckaway

 

top that with a 150mm layer of MoT1 compacted is around 10 cube or 18 tonnes of MoT1

 

muck away £180

JCB half day £120

roller half day £65

MoT1 £235

 

Value..? £600... however I would say it’s worth a lot more in terms of a clean entrance and access to site. 

[Russell griffiths]

Roughly let’s see what I can come up with in under 2 minutes as my dinners nearly ready, 

Cost would obviously depend on the width

excavator and operator 3 days @ £300

dumper £165

dumper driver @ £100x3= £300

muck away 3-4 loads @ £200 per load

4 trucks crushed concrete @ £200 per load

3 trucks type 1 stone @ £240 per load

roller hire £125

this could have many many variations 

what about a membrane 

any form of edging 

what area of the country 

 

if it’s a bit rough he could get it done for £3000 assuming he has lots of land and can lose the spoil somewhere, if it’s a tidy job and no local contacts for crushed stone it could cost more

 

there are probably two different costs here, what it will cost him as opposed to what it would cost you. 

As a value to you I think the gesture is worth between £5000-£7000

 

what is your opinion. 

 

[epsilonGreedy]

14 minutes ago, PeterW said:

Value..? £600... however I would say it’s worth a lot more in terms of a clean entrance and access to site. 

 

£600 phew.

 

When negotiating the last minor percentage gap in the purchase negotiations I declined the offer in favour of a keener plot price. Based on your estimate I did the right thing, time will tell.

[Russell griffiths]

I must be living in a different universe to some on here, is the north south divide that great

how do you get a Jcb for half a day?

nobody we use will entertain even coming out for less than a day and that day starts at £350

we pay our 19 year old labour £100 per day 

where can you get a roller for half a day ?

surely you still have to collect it and return it, or do you get it delivered, if delivered around our way the hire company would still want £20 each way. 

Muck away at £180 we used to pay £200 per truck back in 2006 when I had my company. 

 

As as I said so many variables 

if I could get that lot shifted and stoned for £600 I would be laughing they can come and do my site strip any day. 

[bissoejosh]

6 minutes ago, Russell griffiths said:

I must be living in a different universe to some on here, is the north south divide that great

how do you get a Jcb for half a day?

nobody we use will entertain even coming out for less than a day and that day starts at £350

we pay our 19 year old labour £100 per day 

where can you get a roller for half a day ?

surely you still have to collect it and return it, or do you get it delivered, if delivered around our way the hire company would still want £20 each way. 

Muck away at £180 we used to pay £200 per truck back in 2006 when I had my company. 

 

As as I said so many variables 

if I could get that lot shifted and stoned for £600 I would be laughing they can come and do my site strip any day. 

Our digger driver is £32 an hour all in for a 4cx JCB so not far off your numbers but won't do half days, delivery for most plant that we hire is £25 each way. All adds up!

Edited February 14, 2018 by bissoejosh
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[lizzie]

1 hour ago, Russell griffiths said:

I must be living in a different universe to some on here, is the north south divide that great

how do you get a Jcb for half a day?

nobody we use will entertain even coming out for less than a day and that day starts at £350

we pay our 19 year old labour £100 per day 

where can you get a roller for half a day ?

surely you still have to collect it and return it, or do you get it delivered, if delivered around our way the hire company would still want £20 each way. 

Muck away at £180 we used to pay £200 per truck back in 2006 when I had my company. 

 

As as I said so many variables 

if I could get that lot shifted and stoned for £600 I would be laughing they can come and do my site strip any day. 

Ditto Russell totally agree........ I would be in heaven to get that for £600!  If there is such a man send him my way please I have about 210sqm of road to construct and tarmac plus our drive area....atm we have 2 years worth of stone sunk into mud its horrendous. I have lost count of how many tons of stone have gone on in the last 2 years trying to keep a surface.  Solid clay here and its a nightmare. Best cheap quote I got for road - cash - and just one step above the travellers type job was 15k . Thats no kerbs either. 

 

Finishing groundworks at the mo (not road) Digger hire here £250 plus vat a week dumper £150 plus vat  a week ...discounted rate as he got it on his account......roller ?? digger/dumper transport one way £75 plus vat.  Operator £180 a day, labourer £80 a day (and thats cheap - previous was £120!) No half days available either.  Not had the bill for last weeks muck away or materias yet. Those rates paid last week.

 

 

Edited February 14, 2018 by lizzie
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[Alexphd1]

20m easily 1 day for a decent guy. We are £375 (day) for a guy with 8t digger he also comes with a dumper a and sit on roller. I drive the dumper & roller but he can provide a driver at a extra cost.

 

Just checked mot 1 is £13 per ton delivered, again our digger driver organised this when he needed it resulting in one zero rated vat invoice (nice and easy!)

Edited February 14, 2018 by Alexphd1

[PeterW]

20m with a 4 in 1 bucket is two passes each way, do it into a waiting wagon...

 

I pay (North Midlands) £30/hr for the JCB, and even if I couldn’t get a half day it’s still only £240... muck away is £150 mixed for 14t with a grab or £180 for 20t clean or just soil. 

 

£235 was the last 20t of limestone I bought from the quarry - 30 mile round trip for the wagon. 

 

We are talking a basic access road here and going much more than 200mm down is pretty irrelevant unless it’s a proper bog with 4-500mm of clay or peat on top. 

 

And labourers ..?? £60 basic, £80 decent ..! 

[ToughButterCup]

1 hour ago, Russell griffiths said:

I must be living in a different universe to some on here, is the north south divide that great

how do you get a Jcb for half a day?[...] 

 

Yes.

Walk round the corner and ask.

 

But you ask with care. After four or five pints. In The Patten. Brilliant pub

 

[lizzie]

@PeterW  good prices your way!

 

[ProDave]

I think this thread highlights the advantages of buying your own plant.

 

I bought my own digger, I bought a very old very cheap 3 ton steel tracked machine for £2500 and after 2 years use sold it for £2500  I would call that a bargain.  It was SO handy just having it there for even a small job.  I also bought a whacker plate for about £150, not as good as a roller, but damned handy. I still have that.

 

This would be a perfect first job to get used to your new toy piece of specialist machinery.

[Alexphd1]

Agree with prodave. But buy wisely.... we bought a jcb 3cx and surprisingly not very good a digging, but the forks are handy.

[nod]

9 hours ago, Alexphd1 said:

Agree with prodave. But buy wisely.... we bought a jcb 3cx and surprisingly not very good a digging, but the forks are handy.

Own digger So handy

Forks would be a god send

I wish I would of had my own digger 

 

The first figure with half days would be doable if you already have contractors and plant onsite

The arcing much higher figure Is more likely if you had to get someone in as a one off

But what no ones touched on is

Aby graded access would be nackered by the end of the job and would need redoing 

Quik scrape and hardcore down

Lorrys a plant will roller it for free

[ToughButterCup]

You've seen this haven't you? And this too? 

[Ferdinand]

Nothing to add as I am around the corner from @PeterW, except to do the temporary thing to be a suitable base for whatever finish will be in your final driveway.

 

F

[epsilonGreedy]

This thread fills me with trepidation with its 10 fold range in the estimates provided. Hopefully the diverse numbers can be attributed to people picturing my plot based on their own personal experiences. At least the weather will be on my side with digging likely to commence in late April.

Edited February 15, 2018 by epsilonGreedy

[Ferdinand]

It is not that far off the difference in prices of plots.

[Russell griffiths]

8 hours ago, epsilonGreedy said:

This thread fills me with trepidation with its 10 fold range in the estimates provided. Hopefully the diverse numbers can be attributed to people picturing my plot based on their own personal experiences. At least the weather will be on my side with digging likely to commence in late April.

I don’t think it should fill you with trepidation, 

as it shows you what can be achieved by networking and meeting the right people, as a couple of people said find a local Jcb driver, find a cheap muck away truck, drive around the local quarry and find out about cheap stone, 

if you plot is part of a bigger scheme talk to the other plot owners. 

My estimate looked on the dear side, but that was me dealing out some reality. 

If I was quoting,  it would cost you large, but that’s because of the areas we work and the profit we have built in to our business model, 

we have no interest in being known as the local cheap blokes. 

[epsilonGreedy]

53 minutes ago, Russell griffiths said:

I don’t think it should fill you with trepidation, 

as it shows you what can be achieved by networking and meeting the right people, as a couple of people said find a local Jcb driver, find a cheap muck away truck,

 

 

I fell on my feet and have two of those identified. Next will be a local quarry, thanks for the tip.

[Russell griffiths]

Do you have a skip hire company you can get crushed concrete off. 

[epsilonGreedy]

On 14/02/2018 at 17:58, PeterW said:

JCB half day £120

 

 

Would a 3 ton hire excavator with a wide bucket be man enough? This will be my first digger driving experience though I am hoping my level site reduces the risk factor. I anticipate opting for a 3 day weekend hire so that Swmbo can drive the dumper in order to give the job some momentum, she does not know yet she is about to be press ganged into Greedy's Ground Force.

 

I am about to start this job in order to establish some site stability before the autumn weather arrives. The scope of the job has expanded to include prepping a future patio of about 50m2 so about 160 m2 in total.

 

My first step will be to scrape back the top 100mm of turf and topsoil prior to geotex and a first 150mm of Mot-1. There is also a large shallow dip that I want to rise up an extra 100mm with more Mot-1 or whatever is one further notch up the aggregate lumpy scale.  Some quick maths suggests I will be spreading 30 tons of aggregate.

[Declan52]

3 ton digger will be able to do that easily enough with an experienced driver. The question is how long will it take you to get the hang of the controls and not have the digger dancing all over the place. Same goes with the dumper. They are very dangerous bits of kit. They can tip over if you are not careful. Plus if the ground is soft they will make a mess with deep tyre tracks giving the digger more work to do.

Make sure you have a drum of red diesel at hand so you aren't wasting any time going to get fuel later on.

Keep the revs at half speed till you get the jist of what stick does what and make sure your head is on a swivel as it's hard to hear/ see people coming over to you.

[epsilonGreedy]

23 minutes ago, Declan52 said:

3 ton digger will be able to do that easily enough with an experienced driver.

 

 

I will book a nearby pro builder to supervise my first hour behind the controls. Yes my first half day of hire will not be cost effective but I feel it is a worthwhile learning curve because I will then be self sufficient for the rest of the build when finishing the drainage. 

 

The ground is firm and I will insist that Swmbo dismounts from the dumper and stands back while I fill it.

 

28 minutes ago, Declan52 said:

Make sure you have a drum of red diesel at hand so you aren't wasting any time going to get fuel later on.

 

 

I had been wondering about fuel consumption, all those digger decibels require fuel.

 

30 minutes ago, Declan52 said:

Keep the revs at half speed till you get the jist of what stick does what and make sure your head is on a swivel as it's hard to hear/ see people coming over to you.

 

 

Just two of us on a fenced site. Visiting pro's (foundation dig and foul drain dig) have already drilled into me the importance of approaching a working digger from a head on eye contact angle.