epsilonGreedy Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 I am trying to understand the elements of roofing costs. Given a starting point of trusses erected, an easy step up to roof height from 3rd lift scaffolding, 30 degree pitch in a sheltered location, underlay, battens already installed and the customer funding materials, what is the daily rate for a slater in a low cost provincial English country? My own research suggests they are some way down the trades pay scale compared to gas-safe fitters, electricians and brickies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterW Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 £1/slate laid including felt and batten Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterW Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 Actually ... who is doing the layout on the roof and the membrane and battens..? Also, who is taking responsibility for the pitch and headlap being correct ..?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oz07 Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 roofers who can slate I know on 200 and upwards a day if not price work. I think roofing is one of those things a lot of general builders have a go at and think they can do but are crap. Make sure they're coming via recommendation 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterW Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 Not sure I would go day rate as tbh as @Oz07 says, this is very visible and can cause significant issues if they get it wrong including leaks and potentially a strip and replace to resolve. This is not an area to cut costs - get 3 prices to get a feel of what is being offered and then go and physically see the work they have done previously. Lead work for example is something that separates the men from the boys here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conor Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 1 hour ago, PeterW said: £1/slate laid including felt and batten I second this. Spoke to a roofer when trying to sell my old roof slates and he charges 70p labour only... But he's a one man band and in northern Ireland so understandably a bit cheaper than other parts of UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nod Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 Is roofing Something most of us can’t tackle ourselves I had little experience in skating before myself and my wife slated our and the two double garages It took us about two weeks to do the house including the lead work and three day per garage We spent £150 on bumper hoist hire for a week I think there was around 300m2 The quotes we received had no baring to any kind of a day rate 12 -17 k both said allow 10% waste Rather than throw the bent slates off the roof I took nearly a 1000 back Saving about £1000 Something a roofer wouldn’t do 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 Another one that did my roof myself. I had a surprising amount of tiles coming off the pallet with broken corners. There would have been 2 ways of dealing with this. One would have been collect all the broken ones and demanding the merchant replace them, and then argue what is an acceptable level of breakages. I took a more pragmatic view and used the broken ones as the cut tiles on the valleys. It got to the point where I did not want to cut a perfect tile, so when I came to a cut, if I did not have any broken ones waiting, I simply unpacked more off the pallet until I found another broken one. The end result was almost zero wastage. It was not a technically difficult job but it was quite physically hard work, and took quite a long time. I had no choice really, at the time I was building a house on an almost zero budget so no money to pay labour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Punter Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 2 hours ago, PeterW said: Lead work for example is something that separates the men from the boys here... Where we are almost all the roofers use the same lead man. He is very reasonable and does really neat welding etc. I sometimes ask the roofers to exclude the cost of any specialist leadwork. If they get the job they liaise with him and he bills me. They still do soakers etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpmiller Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 Did ours ourselves (clay tiles). Felted and battened by the TF crew but we did the rest and saved a fortune in the process. But would I do it again? not so sure... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpd Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 I did my own roof from scratch, got loads of old west coast slate for virtually nothing , me and my dad re cut all the edges with traditional slaters axes..... I then laid them in diminishing lengths to the top of the roof...... it took me months and months........ and months ? ..... it seemed fun at the time but All subsequent roofs on the property have been tin...... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nod Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 My wife’s a theatre manager and frightened of heights But soon got into the slating 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epsilonGreedy Posted September 23, 2020 Author Share Posted September 23, 2020 @nod what type of ridge tiles can I see in that photo? Everyone I speak to locally suggests I use angled slate ridge tiles with the pronounce lip but I do not like the aesthetic result from a distance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epsilonGreedy Posted September 23, 2020 Author Share Posted September 23, 2020 On 08/09/2020 at 10:40, PeterW said: Actually ... who is doing the layout on the roof and the membrane and battens..? Also, who is taking responsibility for the pitch and headlap being correct ..?? @PeterWI am just catching up on old threads of mine. I recall reading your reply and wondering how I could end up with the wrong pitch as this is preset in the trusses. Is there another pitch, might you be referring to ending up with a roof that has a very thin row of tiles or likewise strange tile widths bordering a valley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperJohnG Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 On 08/09/2020 at 10:19, PeterW said: £1/slate laid including felt and batten As a validation of this. I have 340 sqm of roof, which results in just under 10k slates to be laid, 75mm headlap and standard size of 400 x 250 is. Planning cupa heavy 3's, assuming I do battens. All quotes include leadwork and labour. Cheap quote - 6k (self employed, local guy well known, medium quality level but could swing to low or high quality depending what guys he outs on site.) Mid quote - 10k (self employed, unknown to me, recommended by cupa rep and has houses I can view and have seen pics of in local area. High level of finish with good grading of slates and finish) High quote - 15k (two roofing companies,.work looks good but high cost). All central belt scotland 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterW Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 9 hours ago, epsilonGreedy said: @PeterWI am just catching up on old threads of mine. I recall reading your reply and wondering how I could end up with the wrong pitch as this is preset in the trusses. Is there another pitch, might you be referring to ending up with a roof that has a very thin row of tiles or likewise strange tile widths bordering a valley. Pitch and headlap relate to the slates. Depending on the size of the slates, the pitch of the roof determines the headlap or overlap and the sizing of the slates too if they are diminishing size etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Punter Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 I know it is just a simple case of measuring and setting the battens to the measurement but I would not want to batten a roof for others to slate, unless they confirmed that it was OK as I went. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puff Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 With just under 6000 to lay, think I'll be trying to do it myself as that's a chunk of budget I haven't got Long cold winter for me ahead I think! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dnb Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 I have actually enjoyed doing the battening and slating. I have not done all of it myself because getting water tight quickly is more important than saving every penny now the weather is beginning to be against us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterW Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 On 04/10/2020 at 18:55, Puff said: With just under 6000 to lay, think I'll be trying to do it myself as that's a chunk of budget I haven't got Long cold winter for me ahead I think! Worth considering one of the systems like NuLok as doing double layer slating and punching / nailing them to fit will be a challenge if you’ve not done it before ..! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToughButterCup Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 11 minutes ago, PeterW said: Worth considering one of the systems like NuLok ... We used it. Setup takes a bit of time, but thereafter, think LEGO. Repairs are super easy. Roof weight is about one third. (Single layer of tiles.) A bit of fireside reading Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone West Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 We used NuLok. We did all the membrane and battening and I tiled the single storey area. There wasn't time to us to do the whole roof so that was done by a team of NuLok roofers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puff Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 On 07/10/2020 at 12:03, PeterW said: Worth considering one of the systems like NuLok as doing double layer slating and punching / nailing them to fit will be a challenge if you’ve not done it before ..! Thanks PeterW I'm fortunate in that I have a good builder to hand to show me the way. He can then do all the stuff I can't do such as stone facing whilst I'm on the roof! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nod Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 On 08/09/2020 at 17:29, nod said: My wife’s a theatre manager and frightened of heights But soon got into the slating Five years on my wife become a bit of an expert I broke my hand whilst battening out our workshop and was only able to cut and carry the slates So she was left to slate it herself 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markc Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 Good on her 👏👏 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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