MikeSharp01 Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 In a couple of weeks I will be starting the first part of the framing and think I need to get my grubby - clean your nails before making my supper Dad, hands on a nailer. A friend has recommended these which he has. I think they look good but I am not sure, any thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichS Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Personally I would go on ebay and look at Paslode nail guns. There are quite a number of 1st and 2nd fix guns up for auction at a much reduced price. Very good guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexphd1 Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Just bought the 1st fix one. Pretty happy with it. A bit bigger than the paslode equivalent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simplysimon Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 1 hour ago, RichS said: Personally I would go on ebay and look at Paslode nail guns. There are quite a number of 1st and 2nd fix guns up for auction at a much reduced price. Very good guns. +1, as they've been updated the earlier versions are now a lot cheaper, buy generic gas and nails. probably a good idea to have them serviced before use. at the same time ask for training and be shown how to clean them. simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 +1 with paslode, I have both first and second fix and they are great, get your nails and gas elsewhere as originals are expensive. They will certainly hold there price so if you sold them afterwards it's still a cheap option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiehamy Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 We were given a broken Im350i to see if we could fix it. £150 later on a service and some replacement parts and been totally reliable since. Best investment I made... along with the Bosch 6tool set and the Senior Collated screwdriver! All worth every penny, get sooner rather than later is my suggestion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 6 hours ago, MikeSharp01 said: In a couple of weeks I will be starting the first part of the framing and think I need to get my grubby - clean your nails before making my supper Dad, hands on a nailer. A friend has recommended these which he has. I think they look good but I am not sure, any thoughts. You can box clever, buy these and then a naked impact etc and mix n match the tools, batteries and charger as necessary. One point not raised yet is the unreliability of gas guns in the extreme cold. I often have to take the gas out and warm it between my hands before my hitachi will fire, and then it's not 100% consistent. Dry, regular days are not a problem though, so just a point to consider. If I was in your shoes it would be a tough call but I think I'd go with the Dewalt tbh, due to gaining batteries and a charger. All depends on whether you have Dewalt tools already or not I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptoe Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Paslode, or air, I don't hold much weight to battery nail guns, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexphd1 Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 @Nickfromwales we are lucky in NE Scotland ... we don't have problems with cold gas...... I wish. Seriously the dewalt hits the mark but it's over 1kg heavier than the paslode..... takes it toll over a days work. But I wouldn't swap it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Cold gas, yes I concur. That's what having a cup of tea/coffee on site is for, put your gas cartridge in it ?I have had so many laughs on site when people see a gas cartridge sticking out of my mug of tea , but it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Do you use a straw? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexphd1 Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 (edited) Already been mentioned , but big bonus point with having a common battery with other tools. I'm already eyeing up the 2nd fix nailer plus the auto feed screw driver . American ebay? Edited January 1, 2017 by Alexphd1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 3 minutes ago, Alexphd1 said: One bonus point with having a common battery with other tools. I'm already eyeing up the 2nd fix nailer plus the auto feed screw driver . American ebay? Which make? Any links ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexphd1 Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 (edited) Ebay.com . Biggest problem is finding sellers who ship to UK . Remember you will get hit with UK import tax but there is decent savings to be made. It's the dewalt DCF620 auto feed screw . Edited January 1, 2017 by Nickfromwales Link added Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 I bought mine from a bloke that went to the states several times a year to see relatives and brought them back (second hand) as "gifts" and got away paying no taxes and sold them on EBay, apparently they are very popular over there, cheaper and ( quoting the guy) they are too lasy to use a hammer!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger440 Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 On 31/12/2016 at 15:48, MikeSharp01 said: In a couple of weeks I will be starting the first part of the framing and think I need to get my grubby - clean your nails before making my supper Dad, hands on a nailer. A friend has recommended these which he has. I think they look good but I am not sure, any thoughts. Got one of these. Great bit of kit. Has done everything asked of it so far. Only issue is, its quite heavy, but im a bit soft! Spend too much of my time these days on my backside! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryE Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 On 01/01/2017 at 18:44, joe90 said: ... they are too lazy to use a hammer!!! @MikeSharp01, I didn't bother buying any nailers -- though I do have a budget Screwfix tacker. Couldn't see the point. Though since banging in ~1,500 nails when putting up ~50m of shiplap fencing, I've had nothing but grief with my lateral triceps which triggers RSI-style pain in my upper arms most evenings / nights -- so lots of broken sleep. So my conclusion is that it doesn't just take a decent hammer and a modicum of fitness to do a lot of nailing: you either need to build up your muscles slowly or to use automation to avoid the issue. In retrospect, I just wish that I'd hired or bought a decent nailer!! Any nailer would have been better than the penalties for not using one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeSharp01 Posted January 2, 2017 Author Share Posted January 2, 2017 Just now, TerryE said: @MikeSharp01, I didn't bother buying any nailers -- though I do have a budget Screwfix tacker. Couldn't see the point. Though since banging in ~1,500 nails when putting up ~50m of shiplap fencing, I've had nothing but grief with my lateral triceps which triggers RSI-style pain in my upper arms most evenings / nights -- so lots of broken sleep. So my conclusion is that it doesn't just take a decent hammer and a modicum of fitness to do a lot of nailing: you either need to lowly build up your muscles or to use automation to avoid the issue. In retrospect, I just wish that I'd hired or bought a decent nailer!! Any nailer would have been better than the penalties for not using one I think I have to get one, the SE wants some of the internal boarding, racking support, nailed every 50mm I think there are 150m of board join at 40 nails per meter, thats 6000 nails in that bit alone! To think I had thought I might use screws to hold it all together - so much more civilised than nails! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crofter Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 I picked up a Clarke coil nailer for £50 and whilst not exactly a pro tool, it has been brilliant. Did all my sheathing, sarking, and now doing my cladding with it. It doesn't owe me anything and if I can get a few quid for it when I'm done, all the better. I agree with the comments above- don't wait til part way through a job before buying the right tool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeSharp01 Posted January 2, 2017 Author Share Posted January 2, 2017 (edited) On 01/01/2017 at 19:08, Roger440 said: Spend too much of my time these days on my backside! I dream of spending time on my backside, nice cosy little office, my own kettle, now its a frozen site office to grab a quick coffee, same kettle, and back to it on site, think I sit down for about 2 hours a day - mostly on buildhub or the CAD programme looking up / updating drawings. It was cold today - worse tomorrow. Edited January 2, 2017 by MikeSharp01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryE Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Some of my racking had sprung so I used screws because they had better grab to pull the OSB in tight. But if you are fixing virgin OSB to your studwork then you shouldnt have this issue. But why every 50mm? The main ranking stiffness is a combination intrinsic stiffness of the OSB and the grab between the OSB and the studwork due the static resistance between them. Going from 150mm centres to 50mm centres would make bugger all difference in a properly cross racked frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeSharp01 Posted January 3, 2017 Author Share Posted January 3, 2017 20 hours ago, TerryE said: Going from 150mm centres to 50mm centres would make bugger all difference in a properly cross racked frame. His argument is that these wall represent the only cross racking in the building as it is essentially an open box with two ends. He has specified OSB on inner and outer of the I-Joists and his calcs do show that 50mm spacing is critical to ensuring it has the correct stiffness (100mm does not pass the stiffness test). It may be slight overkill but if I do as he has specified I cannot be wrong if something does go wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 15 minutes ago, MikeSharp01 said: His argument is that these wall represent the only cross racking in the building as it is essentially an open box with two ends. He has specified OSB on inner and outer of the I-Joists and his calcs do show that 50mm spacing is critical to ensuring it has the correct stiffness (100mm does not pass the stiffness test). It may be slight overkill but if I do as he has specified I cannot be wrong if something does go wrong. That's not an unusual requirement. In some ways mine is the same, except my SE specified two layers of OSB on the inside of the frame to give sufficient racking strength. But being the "belt & Braces" sort I am, I also have a lot of 6 by 1 planks left over that were temporary bracing. I am going to use these to put diagonal bracing straps on the inside over the top of the OSB and these will end up inside the service void. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell griffiths Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Bit of an old topic @MikeSharp01 if you have that many nail to put in sheeting you really want a COIL NAILER. not a framing nailer. Couple of reasons why. That amount of nails needs putting in quickly or it will take forever. A gas powered framing nailer will run hot and start to play up. Second to achieve good racking strength the nails should not be over driven a frarming nailer is very awkward to achieve this and you will end up with over and under driven nails. Also has the SE said what type of nails. On the last frame I put up we were not allowed to use the nails that come in a strip for any racking board and all nails had to have a full head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeSharp01 Posted February 8, 2017 Author Share Posted February 8, 2017 Uh oh... Have not invested yet as I have borrowed a friends paslode which does a good job. The SE has not specified the nails only the spacing. I will ask for this detail. Thanks for the heads up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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