Stones Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 18 hours ago, SteamyTea said: Would it not be easier and cheaper to have a back up generator to run the hob (I assume an induction one) from (200 quid and a crossover switch). I have a spare camping stove, have only needed to use it once in 12 years during one 4 hour power cut. Even up here, unplanned power outages are uncommon and don't last very long. I am planning to install a crossover switch but may well hold off on actually buying a generator. £10 for a small camping stove and a £2 for the gas cartridges, probably the cheapest back up of all - hot drink and food. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 18 hours ago, SteamyTea said: Would it not be easier and cheaper to have a back up generator to run the hob (I assume an induction one) from (200 quid and a crossover switch). I have a spare camping stove, have only needed to use it once in 12 years during one 4 hour power cut. Keeping in mind that a crap induction hob will still suck 40a, and a tidy one over 50a. That wouldn't be a small generator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 15 minutes ago, Stones said: £10 for a small camping stove and a £2 for the gas cartridges, probably the cheapest back up of all - hot drink and food. Exactly this. We have a camping stove and spare bottle in the garage. Worst case we need to cook on that once or twice, not the end of the world. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 2 hours ago, Nickfromwales said: Keeping in mind that a crap induction hob will still suck 40a Use one 'ring' and it will be about 9A. So a cheap 2 kW generator will do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptoe Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 27 minutes ago, SteamyTea said: Use one 'ring' and it will be about 9A. So a cheap 2 kW generator will do it. Its not that simply really, it's the way the electric is generated Vs how the hob wants to use it, At the very least you would probably want an inverter Genny, and that's a whole lot more money than your normal site type Genny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptoe Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Oh, and at least 50% headroom, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterW Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Lets be honest if its for a power cut scenario then you probably want one of these in the cupboard and its job done.. Cheapo 2kw gennie and a "dedicated" socket and all sorted. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VonShef-Digital-Induction-Hob-Electric-Single-Hob-with-Touch-Control-LED-Display-/282194438528?hash=item41b4196980:g:9zAAAOSwwpdW1wI8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptoe Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 35 minutes ago, PeterW said: Lets be honest if its for a power cut scenario then you probably want one of these in the cupboard and its job done.. Cheapo 2kw gennie and a "dedicated" socket and all sorted. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VonShef-Digital-Induction-Hob-Electric-Single-Hob-with-Touch-Control-LED-Display-/282194438528?hash=item41b4196980:g:9zAAAOSwwpdW1wI8 That will NOT run off a 2kW Genny, not properly anyway, will deffo shorten its lifespan, and the gennys, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 3 hours ago, PeterW said: Lets be honest if its for a power cut scenario then you probably want one of these in the cupboard and its job done.. Cheapo 2kw gennie and a "dedicated" socket and all sorted. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VonShef-Digital-Induction-Hob-Electric-Single-Hob-with-Touch-Control-LED-Display-/282194438528?hash=item41b4196980:g:9zAAAOSwwpdW1wI8 That looks really good I am still trying to get my other half to use an induction hob but she is insisting on gas ( lpg as no mains gas) I used an induction hob when on a cookery course last year and I a converted. She wants a range master and they do a good one with induction hob ( saves cost of all the gas pipes etc and lugging bottles about) whatcha this space ?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterW Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 1 minute ago, joe90 said: That looks really good I am still trying to get my other half to use an induction hob but she is insisting on gas ( lpg as no mains gas) I used an induction hob when on a cookery course last year and I a converted. She wants a range master and they do a good one with induction hob ( saves cost of all the gas pipes etc and lugging bottles about) whatcha this space ?) Thats a common battleground if someone is used to gas ..! Induction is superbly controllable and it's a lot safer too..! can you not send her on the same course ...?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Peter, I would love too but she is already a good cook and if I sent her on a cookery class I think it would go down like a lead balloon. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanetE Posted January 3, 2017 Author Share Posted January 3, 2017 Well I think you have more than answered my question, so thanks to you all. As Terry said we shall be getting the installation done by a registered installer, it's just not worth the worry doing it ourselves. The reason we are having the gas hob is not just as a backup as I aim to use it regularly. We have natural gas here but as the new build is pretty well up to passive standard we are just having electricity. The LPG is a hell of a lot cheaper than getting a gas connection. We have an induction hob and I've heard great things about them so hope I won't be disappointed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Janet, I must get you to talk to my missus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC45 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 We use induction now - I would have put in gas hobs but the domestic services department didnt want gas. I'd not go back to gas now, the induction is brilliant. Don't buy a cheap one. CC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiehamy Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Same here for induction - as much as I loved gas, I'll not go back after induction. And so easy to clean! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanetE Posted February 20, 2017 Author Share Posted February 20, 2017 Well the two ring gas hob is connected. The guy who connected it and certified it for us charged us £100. The cylinder and connectors including the deposit was £105. He made a really neat job of it too. So a good result for us. So maybe @joe90, can show the pictures to his wife 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Can I have a picture of the gas connection under the hob please (take the drawers out?) and the gas connection at the regulator? Also is that one continuous piece of pipe (annealed 10mm copper for instance) , or solid pipe with joints? If I could find someone to connect it and sign it off for £100 I would be happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Harris Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 If it's any help, we fitted an LPG hob in a new house build in Scotland. I fitted the hob and ran 10mm plastic coated copper in a continuous run from the hob connection point to the external cylinder changeover valve, but didn't terminate the pipe. The gas fitter from the building company then came in and made the connections either end, leak tested it etc and it didn't actually cost us anything, as the builder did it as a favour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryE Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 @ProDave we put a 20mm plastic liner pipe through our TF twinwall and out through the brick skin. We sealed that for air tightness. The plumber did the work in two visits. On the first one, he soldered in a 15mm copper pipe with 3 x 90° elbows to run alone the outside wall, 90 bend in through the liner pipe; 90 bend along the back wall and another 90 bend into the back of the unit. (The hole wasn't directly behind the cupboard.) Jan bought the gas bottle and regulator from the local coal / bottled gas merchant in the village. On his second visit (after the worktops were fitted) he dropped the external pipe down to 10mm and fitted the flexible pipe onto this with a jubilee clip. He also needed to add another 90 elbow on the inside to bring the fitting up into the hob connection. All of the pipework fitted behind the line of the unit draws. This sounds lot of work, but the two visits combined were about an hour's work, maybe less. He lives in the next village, so this was a "stop off on the way" infill job for him. Jan or I will take a couple of snaps later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 I have connected quite a few gas hobs or cookers whilst fitting kitchens for customers but I did have a tame gas man who would pop in and test it all for me and log the test for the price of a couple of pints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryE Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 The back of the unit has been cut out to give the induction hob ventilation some open air circulation, but it's behind the drawers in the unit so we didn't attempt to match @Onoff's standards! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 I knew if I waited long enough I'd find the bloke who did this: & this: (Leccy oven & gas hob igniter btw) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 3 hours ago, TerryE said: The back of the unit has been cut out to give the induction hob ventilation some open air circulation, but it's behind the drawers in the unit so we didn't attempt to match @Onoff's standards! Are you really going to tell me that was done by a gas safe "engineer" who gave you a certificate? The gas bottle connection in particular is not how it's done. And where is the pressure test point etc. I am perfectly capable of doing a simple job like plumb and LPG hob to a regulator but for the sake of getting a bit of paper I am willing to pay someone to make the two joints and issue that bit of paper, but not if he does it like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryE Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 42 minutes ago, ProDave said: Are you really going to tell me that was done by a gas safe "engineer" who gave you a certificate? Dave, in a word: yes. I got his name and details off the GasSafe online database. This is one where I didn't even bother to research "how it's done" as I was paying someone to do it the correct way. Jan explained what we were doing to the local dealer and ordered the regulator and bottle from them on their advice. The gas (and LPG) registered engineer, fitted it and provided us with the certificate without comment. So if you think that the Building inspector would have a problem with this installation, then it would be really helpful us if you could be more specific or at least point us to where you can find these details. AFAIK, they aren't readily accessible to the general house builder, because they want you to use a certified professional to do the work. I see that there are potentially two sepearate issues: Compliance and certification; Is the implementation correctly scaled? We've got a backup two-ring gas hob connected to an outside Propane cylinder, not our central heating. Naively, I would think that this apporach is scaled for this; to me, the issue is: does it comply? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Should that mains lead be resting/rubbing against a gas pipe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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