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We need some units for our utility room and am shocked by the prices. Do these really start from £2000 now? (B&Q, Howdens, etc)

 

That makes £4000 fitted for Hacker not unreasonable.

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Try IKEA. Should be about half the price of other places if you are happy with basic shelves and doors. I did my brewshed for about £250 and it's about half the size of that utility (4 units, 3m of worktop, prep sink) our entire kitchen (Units, drawers, glossy panels etc, no appliances or worktop) was £2800, and that had 16 units, mostly drawers. 

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DIY-Kitchens.com seam popular on here.

 

I can't vouch for the quality yet as my one arrives tomorrow, however they are rated highly on Which.co.uk

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I am damned sure that would not be anything like £4K at Howdens.  Do bear in mind, Howdens are very negotiable.

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My last Howdens kitchen 2 years ago was nearly a superset of that .. tall cupboard carcass excepted .. so I should be able to do a comparison.

 

Are appliances included in your quote? And are you shocked because it is too high or too low.?

 

Ferdinand

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1 hour ago, ultramods said:

DIY-Kitchens.com seam popular on here.

 

I can't vouch for the quality yet as my one arrives tomorrow, however they are rated highly on Which.co.uk

 

Fantastic quality. Better than all the sheds and Howdens. 

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There’s no picture but the Howdens quote did come in at over £2k (quoted via a decent trade account as well) as have B@Q direct and someone else she spoke to. No appliances except sink/tap as we have the washer and dryer already. I thought that was expensive for some chipboard.

 

I don’t want high quality value, I want robust and cheap value. Will eventually get round to doing an IKEA quote but expecting the same.

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41 minutes ago, daiking said:

There’s no picture but the Howdens quote did come in at over £2k (quoted via a decent trade account as well) as have B@Q direct and someone else she spoke to. No appliances except sink/tap as we have the washer and dryer already. I thought that was expensive for some chipboard.

 

I don’t want high quality value, I want robust and cheap value. Will eventually get round to doing an IKEA quote but expecting the same.

 

I estimate that for the set in the 1st pic the range I went for .. Greenwich Shaker Light Oak and OK quality eg 38mm worktops and thick not thin 1.5 bowl sink etc was at around  £1500 for that set delivered. Works well in a house with eg oak veneered doors.

 

Not sure if that is helpful.

 

Ferdinand

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We settled on a German kitchen 

While the carcasses have a built in seal They are exactly the same as all the much cheaper ones 

I’ve fitted quite a few Bq and Howdens Its a shame that BQ have gone back to self assemble 

But nothing between any of the carcasses It’s the doors and choice of worktops that eat up the cash 

 

We were quoted eye watering sums for fitting a Nolte kitchen 

Specialist job 

Perhaps the easiest kitchen I’ve ever fitted Rails kickboards infils all pre cut for you 

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14 hours ago, daiking said:

I don’t want high quality value, I want robust and cheap value. Will eventually get round to doing an IKEA quote but expecting the same.

Look at Howdens really cheap flat pack range. Spruce it up with some better doors.  I did a complete kitchen in a rental for under £1K with that.

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3 hours ago, ProDave said:

Look at Howdens really cheap flat pack range. Spruce it up with some better doors.  I did a complete kitchen in a rental for under £1K with that.

 

Might look at that. Likewise Ikea, I don’t mind putting units together to save some money. I can do flat pack myself that’s the easy bit.

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Howdens current quote total £1756 xvat broken down as below, no worktops or appliances.

Based on this i'd guess for your pictured kitchen maybe £750.

 

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We can probably do without one of the wall units (for the gas boiler) and are those really 7 decorative end panels?

 

but as it stands that’s coming in at 1800+vat

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Tbh, I’m quite impressed with the Howdens units. I’ve only ever seen builder fitted Howdens kitchens that leave a lot to be desired. 

 

If I look closely, I can see some quality differences between it and our Alno kitchen but that’s to be expected. 

 

Most of the credit though must go to the fitter who's done the work to turn it into a quality install with standard quality equipment.

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On 15/05/2019 at 15:59, ultramods said:

DIY-Kitchens.com seam popular on here.

 

I can't vouch for the quality yet as my one arrives tomorrow, however they are rated highly on Which.co.uk

 

DIY Kitchens now do an Express Range, not sure if it's cheaper than their standard or not.  They'll do these 10 kitchen units in the Mirano range for £1,187 + VAT.  Not exactly your layout but it'll give you some idea.  Haven't used the Express range before but will be fitting one from their standard range in the current build, having fitted one in our last place.

 

https://www.diy-kitchens.com/kitchens/allstyles/allcolours/express/l-shaped/low-high/

 

Here's what is included :

What's included in this kitchen layout?
 
  1. 500mm Single Highline Kitchen Base Unit (FD5)
  2. 1000mm Double Highline Sink Base (SBF10)
  3. 1000mm Wide Highline Corner Base Unit (FDCB10)
  4. 500mm Single Highline Kitchen Base Unit (FD5)
  5. 1000mm Pan Drawer Units (P2D1-10)
  6. 500mm Single Highline Kitchen Base Unit (FD5)
  7. 600mm Built In Oven Housing - 1970 High (SOH)
  8. 500mm Single Wall Unit - 720 High (MW5)
  9. 500mm Single Wall Unit - 720 High (MW5)
  10. 600mm Single Wall Unit - 720 High (MW6)
  11. 14 Mirano Cashmere Doors (For above units)
  12. 2 x Mirano Cashmere Plinth
  13. 2 x Mirano Cashmere Cornice
  14. 1 x Mirano Cashmere Corner Post

Appliances, worktops, sinks & taps are NOT included in the pricing.

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We lived in a small development at our last house and they had Howden's kitchens fitted as standard and within 5 years they where dropping to bits. This was 2003 when the houses where built so they may have improved since then. I do agree with the fact that a lot to do with a kitchen is who fits it and how you look after it. In our house (same development) we had a Siematic kitchen which was included as part of the deal and it looked as good the day we left the house from when it was fitted, 11 years previously.

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I have believed and said this for years - the attention to detail and build quality of German kitchen at any price point is superior to British made ones.

 

The  trick is to identify where the chosen make of kitchen sits in the market hierarchy in Germany and ensure that an undue premium isnt paid for it.

 

Many German brands are imported into the UK through an agent or distributor and that adds unnecessary premiums. Some retailers bring in basic or mid market brands and position them higher than their level through clever marketing and sales trick and this can create a real smoke screen.

 

It probably isnt possible to buy a German kitchen at the Howdens price point at all but there is simply no comparison between the products. 

 

I am probably gooing to be shot down for saying this, but this is borne out by years in the business and having dealt with multiple British manufacturers over the years, of which all except one have consistently fail to delivery. The one I rate highly is a very premium product and yet I couldnt recommend their contemporary product over an equivalent one.

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Has anyone had a kitchen made by a carpenter? We are buying our oak windows from a, very, local company. Run by two guys who are so passionate about their work it is scary :) Amazing quality and attention to detail at a competitive price. One used to be a kitchen designer/fitter, the other was into bigger stuff. When quoting for our windows they mentioned that if they acquired more of the work on the house, such as oak framed porch, cart lodge garages etc then they could offer a good discount. Our last kitchen was Howdens, fitted by a good carpenter, and we were very satisfied (apart from our choice of wooden worktop which is already water marked :(). 

One of these guys showed me some amazing bespoke kitchens they had done but not sure how much they cost - eeek! I suppose the only way to find out is to let them quote. Just hope that once I see what they can do (as with the windows) I don't get hooked!

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You can get some amazing bespoke furniture made but its not going to be cheap. The question I would ask is what exactly is bespoke.

 

What are the carcases made from. They may still be MFC in which case its no different to anything else. They may be veneered MDF in which case the durability is questionable.

 

Are you getting solid timber drawer boxes. Again you can buy solid oak drawer boxes off the shelf with soft close  so nothing new there.


Are you getting soft close hinges or traditional butt hinges. The latter is more bespoke but dearer.

 

Are you getting bespoke sized cabinets made? You can get this from many medium sized manufacturers without a premium to pay for this.

 

Are they making bespoke style of doors for you and are you using any special timbers for this. This would make is truly bespoke but expensive.

 

In summary, bespoke is a much used and abused word so make sure its really bespoke in the true sense of the word before committing.

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