CalvinHobbes Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 A friend said she detests her sink on the island because it gets too messy. Any thoughts? We can have it at the outside wall or on the island. Also sorry for all the questions. đł Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 Question, why would a sink be more messy in an island? (And donât be sorry for asking questions). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalvinHobbes Posted March 31 Author Share Posted March 31 Fair point, it's her husband.Â đ€Ł 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conor Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 Old house sink on the island. New house, sink on the wall and hob on the island. Far better for many reasons. Less mess, more sociable when cooking, looks neater etc. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russdl Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 Personal preference, but if the hob is on the island then it could get very cluttered there and look very cluttered as well.   The idea fleetingly crossed our minds in the planning stages because it seemed to be the new âin thingâ. On closer contemplation it would have been a big mistake so Iâm glad we went all conventional and had the hob on the island and the sink on the wall behind it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell griffiths Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 We have gone a bit off piste and fitted two sinks. a small nice looking thing for veg chopping and prep, then a dirty big one for washing up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Walker Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 18 minutes ago, joe90 said: Question, why would a sink be more messy in an island? (And donât be sorry for asking questions). People gather around an island and the sink can be a messy place, plus all that extra plumbing. It's a no from me and many other 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalvinHobbes Posted March 31 Author Share Posted March 31 19 minutes ago, Russell griffiths said: We have gone a bit off piste and fitted two sinks. a small nice looking thing for veg chopping and prep, then a dirty big one for washing up. That's good, hadn't thought of that. We have a utility room close by, I was thinking it could cater for queued up dishwasher dishes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelvin Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 We removed the worktop and cabinets on the back wall to get the space back but this was where the sink was going. Our Island is quite big at 3.3m by 1.3m with 9 long drawers that swallow a lot of stuff. Plus full height wall cabinets. The downside was the need to put the sink on the island. Yet to be determined how it will all work. It did also save ÂŁ5000 in cabinetâs and stone worktop. We have a big utility room in the room next door so big stuff to be washed will go in here rather than in the main kitchen sink. This is what weâve always done in previous houses so itâs something weâre used to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell griffiths Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 10 minutes ago, CalvinHobbes said: That's good, hadn't thought of that. We have a utility room close by, I was thinking it could cater for queued up dishwasher dishes. We have built what is called a butlers pantry its a separate room beside the kitchen, it has the biggest sink I could find, it will fit the full width tray from the oven for a soak, it also has the dishwasher in it. so prep and cook in the kitchen and chuck the pans into the pantry to hide because we have an open plan kitchen diner and donât want to stare at pots and pans while we eat dinner.  its a foreign idea normally used in America and Australia. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalvinHobbes Posted March 31 Author Share Posted March 31 That's a great idea too! Cheers. To go off piste, in Germany, Luxembourg etc I see family having their washing machine in the bathroom. That would make so much more sense but from what I gather it's a no no here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 1 hour ago, CalvinHobbes said: in Germany, Luxembourg etc I see family having their washing machine in the bathroom. That would make so much more sense but from what I gather it's a no no here. It's possible in the UK too, but you need to locate the machine outside the electrical safety zones, which often isn't easy in a small UK bathroom. Europe now follow a similar system too though. Though, at least in the case of France, it's mandatory to put electrical sockets in a bathroom >3mÂČ; in the UK it isn't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markocosic Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 On 31/03/2024 at 16:26, Mike said: It's possible in the UK too, but you need to locate the machine outside the electrical safety zones  IEEE guidance isn't law... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattg4321 Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 36 minutes ago, markocosic said:  IEEE guidance isn't law... *IET  If you decide not to follow the recommendations of the relevant British Standard (In this case BS7671) regulations, then you better have a very good reason should you end up in court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markocosic Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 On 20/04/2024 at 15:41, Mattg4321 said: better have a very good reason should you end up in court  "followed demonstrably adequate continental custom and practice - here are the death and injury stats for washing machines in tiny bathrooms on RCDs"  Earth bonding would need to be spot on though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuerteStu Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 I prefer my sinks to be window facing so I can gaze regretfully at all the years going by.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Originaltwist Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 For me it's about the triangle thing in your workspace - fridge, cooker, sink. Heres one I did earlier, and it worked really well  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattg4321 Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 3 hours ago, markocosic said:  "followed demonstrably adequate continental custom and practice - here are the death and injury stats for washing machines in tiny bathrooms on RCDs"  Earth bonding would need to be spot on though. If youâve deliberately and knowingly disregarded the regulations of this country the prosectors will have a field day.  âItâs allowed in another countryâ wonât save you imo.  If you must have a washing machine in a bathroom, locate it 2.5m away from the edge of zone 2. Or 0.6m and connect it to a spur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 11 minutes ago, Mattg4321 said: If youâve deliberately and knowingly disregarded the regulations of this country the prosectors will have a field day Only if someone dies!!! I have installed a socket in my bathroom to run a de humidifier (washing dryer in winter) run from an RCD socket in the cupboard next door. When/if I sell I will disconnect it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annker Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 The issue with having the hob in the island is it makes extraction a more of a problem..  You will either have hood extraction hanging from the ceiling potential ruining slight lines or an expensive downdraft extraction which will require the ducting to be buried under the floor. Secondly the route the extraction ducting will take will be longer and more torturous vs having the hob on an external wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 11 minutes ago, Annker said: The issue with having the hob in the island is it makes extraction a more of a problem.. ... the route the extraction ducting will take will be longer and more torturous vs having the hob on an external wall.  If extracting to the outside. A recirculating hob on the island with mvhr extracting the steam is better than a sink I think. At least that's what we are doing. Hob on island, sink on wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annker Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 4 minutes ago, Mr Blobby said:  If extracting to the outside. A recirculating hob on the island with mvhr extracting the steam is better than a sink I think. At least that's what we are doing. Hob on island, sink on wall. I've to make the same kitchen design layout choices myself in a few months time. The recirculating hob/MVHR combo is a tidy solution but I have a vague recollection of hearing that it (recirculating extraction) isn't that effective, so for me dedicated hob extraction to the outside is my default as I know that works.   Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuerteStu Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 I've seen three island hobs with extraction reliant upon sucking it back into a filter on the island.. All of them end up with a sticky patch on the ceiling where residue condenses.  Nice in your designer pad that is hardly ever cooked in, but I've got a family of 5 and we cook six nights a week. Just not realistic to expect it to be practical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russdl Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 10 minutes ago, FuerteStu said: All of them end up with a sticky patch on the ceiling where residue condenses. Something odd there then. Frying every night? Extractor not turned on? Extractor not up to the job?   Weâve had two and a half years of cooking with a downdraught extractor. No sticky residue anywhere, the pendant lights that are quite close to the hob are squeaky clean. The hob is in use seven days a week but we donât fry much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markocosic Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 5 hours ago, Mattg4321 said: If youâve deliberately and knowingly disregarded the regulations of this country the prosectors will have a field day.  âItâs allowed in another countryâ wonât save you imo.  1) Something to cause a prosecution  2) Proof beyond reasonable doubt  3) Evidence that the protections as afforded elsewhere are sufficient  Lost neutral is the concern. It's not materially more of a concern in a bathroom vs a utility room or kitchen.  The IET are cautious and also presumptive.  Bare feet and wet bodies are the argument. It's fairly damn presumptuous of the IET that folks don't have bare feet or wet hands in utility rooms or kitchens. The houses and machines that the regs were originally written for are also materially riskier than houses of today.  Don't tell them about dishwashers and metal sinks also being wet. Or fridges being earthed and not on RCDs. Or ovens. Hobs. Blah blah.  The regs are too inconsistent and light in their justification to support a prosecution.  Which would require something to happen. Which it won't. Save for a lost neutral. Which is going to screw you no matter where the washing machine is in a PME house?  What am I missing; safety wise rather than tradition and custom wise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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