Pocster Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 SWMBO intended to have a log burner when ( if ever ) we complete the build. Flue's in etc. I have tons of ready to burn dried fire wood. She wanted it for visual effect and of course the heat it generates ( though with UFH it isn't necessary for that ) The log burner was planned many years ago long before climate change became a big thing. The house is designed specifically to be energy efficient and so it feels a bit irresponsible now to stick a log burner in. I could just omit it and accept I wasted cash on the flue etc. What do others feel? - I guess potentially they could be banned? ( log burners ; not members ? ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markc Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 Logs are not fossil fuels … bio-mass so it’s considered green Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted November 25, 2021 Author Share Posted November 25, 2021 5 minutes ago, markc said: Logs are not fossil fuels … bio-mass so it’s considered green I was under the impression is was all bad now.... Sure it was on the bbc - but can't find the item. But found this.... https://www.savemoneycutcarbon.com/learn-save/are-wood-burning-stoves-bad-for-the-environment/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted November 25, 2021 Author Share Posted November 25, 2021 Things like this make me rethink "Just 8% of the UK population make up the emissions released by burning wood indoors. The Guardian found that half of those people preferred this method for aesthetic reasons rather than functional (heat) purposes. In response, Asthma UK and the British Lung Foundation urged people to only use wood burners if they had no alternative source of heat." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markc Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 8 minutes ago, pocster said: Things like this make me rethink "Just 8% of the UK population make up the emissions released by burning wood indoors. The Guardian found that half of those people preferred this method for aesthetic reasons rather than functional (heat) purposes. In response, Asthma UK and the British Lung Foundation urged people to only use wood burners if they had no alternative source of heat." Interesting points and I fully understand where you are coming from. many of our tree surgeon customers are still getting payments to burn wood, to dry wood, to burn ?. im sure they are supposed to use the heat produced to heat homes etc but several have bio mass “boilers” satin containers in the middle of fields just burning wood waste and getting paid for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 I would say it depends where you live. Out here in the sticks in the Highlands, I have no problem with them. But all I know is you are in or near Bristol. If you are in a town or city I would say no, if you are out in the sticks then maybe? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted November 25, 2021 Author Share Posted November 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, markc said: Interesting points and I fully understand where you are coming from. many of our tree surgeon customers are still getting payments to burn wood, to dry wood, to burn ?. im sure they are supposed to use the heat produced to heat homes etc but several have bio mass “boilers” satin containers in the middle of fields just burning wood waste and getting paid for it. Yeah it's the bad bits (PM) that I guess I am thinking of. SWMBO might be persuaded for some electric 'flame effect' fire (FFS) but I'm not convinced . Really want something I can stick someone's hand in and burn them for punishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted November 25, 2021 Author Share Posted November 25, 2021 1 minute ago, ProDave said: I would say it depends where you live. Out here in the sticks in the Highlands, I have no problem with them. But all I know is you are in or near Bristol. If you are in a town or city I would say no, if you are out in the sticks then maybe? Agree. In the stick's no problem. In a city it does feel irresponsible for such a visual 'effect'. Only 1 planet earth..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted November 25, 2021 Author Share Posted November 25, 2021 So I look for nice fancy electric thingies. Sure enough I find some ( ignoring £££ ). https://premiumfire-uk.napoleon.com/products/purview-60?gclid=Cj0KCQiAhf2MBhDNARIsAKXU5GQYrF68Kd6wPZYZghCV_BfsHXPMwLba_rUKk8mGAKR5fJr7CkHKEo4aAnOQEALw_wcB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russdl Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 1 minute ago, pocster said: Really want something I can stick someone's hand in and burn them for punishment. Get a bio-ethanol fire. Real flames, real pain if you put your/someone else’s hand in it. No flue required. No dedicated airflow required and when the going gets tough you can probably drink the fuel with a splash of tonic (and an ambulance on speed dial.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted November 25, 2021 Author Share Posted November 25, 2021 11 minutes ago, pocster said: So I look for nice fancy electric thingies. Sure enough I find some ( ignoring £££ ). https://premiumfire-uk.napoleon.com/products/purview-60?gclid=Cj0KCQiAhf2MBhDNARIsAKXU5GQYrF68Kd6wPZYZghCV_BfsHXPMwLba_rUKk8mGAKR5fJr7CkHKEo4aAnOQEALw_wcB Oooooo. You can recess into the wall and be a trendy mo-fo. More I look more I like. Anyone interested in lots of dry wood ? comes with FREE walk on glazing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilly Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 I'm looking at these as a compromise. No actual flame, but a nice look https://everhot.co.uk/Everhot-Electric-Stove.aspx 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted November 25, 2021 Author Share Posted November 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, Jilly said: I'm looking at these as a compromise. No actual flame, but a nice look https://everhot.co.uk/Everhot-Electric-Stove.aspx They're pretty smart also. Not quite sure what I'd cook in the small oven though ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnMo Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 We have a wood stove, lit it twice now, took longer to light it than it was burning, as the house got too hot. We now have a candle in it, although when you go to blow it out, you get covered in ash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 Put a flat screen tv behind a fireplace surround and play the log fire channel. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Jones Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 1 hour ago, pocster said: SWMBO intended to have a log burner when ( if ever ) we complete the build. Flue's in etc. I have tons of ready to burn dried fire wood. She wanted it for visual effect and of course the heat it generates ( though with UFH it isn't necessary for that ) The log burner was planned many years ago long before climate change became a big thing. The house is designed specifically to be energy efficient and so it feels a bit irresponsible now to stick a log burner in. I could just omit it and accept I wasted cash on the flue etc. What do others feel? - I guess potentially they could be banned? ( log burners ; not members ? ) they are carbon neutral. Much better than a gas or electric fire. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted November 25, 2021 Author Share Posted November 25, 2021 Just now, Dave Jones said: they are carbon neutral. Much better than a gas or electric fire. Yeah I know. But still seems wrong with an energy efficient house and the world dying. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted November 25, 2021 Author Share Posted November 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, ProDave said: Put a flat screen tv behind a fireplace surround and play the log fire channel. That's all the are in essence with an electric fan heater. I'd need to go to a show room first; to see one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan F Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 (edited) Have a look at these. They are available as a cassete version, which can be built into your own furntirue or fire-place. We've even plumbed one in, so it'll never need topping up. Some of them have a heat element in them, but ours doesn't. https://www.dimplex.co.uk/optimyst In my opinion, while it's not fire, they look more realistic than bio-ethanol if you're after a log-fire effect and also don't emit any smells at all. Edited November 25, 2021 by Dan F 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saveasteading Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 My response became so long that I have put it in a new thread rather than hijack this discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 2 hours ago, Russdl said: Get a bio-ethanol fire. Real flames, real pain if you put your/someone else’s hand in it. No flue required. No dedicated airflow required and when the going gets tough you can probably drink the fuel with a splash of tonic (and an ambulance on speed dial.) Bad idea. Burning hydrocarbons causes pollution, really don't go there (from an air quality perspective). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 1 hour ago, pocster said: Agree. In the stick's no problem. In a city it does feel irresponsible for such a visual 'effect'. Only 1 planet earth..... Bear in mind that it isn't just your neighbours who'll be breathing in all that crap. Even with an "efficient" woodburner and good extraction, you'll still end up far higher particulates in your house than if you didn't have a fire. I can't stand the things. I hate the smell, I hate the watery eyes, and I hate the sore throat I end up with when I walk around the neighbourhood during woodburner season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Valley Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 (edited) We ditched the log burner in our new build. Have an open fire in the current house and a log burner in the previous cottage. We love the cosiness of them in the winter but not the extra cleaning and drafts when not used. We have decided on one of them fancy electric fires instead that will be flush and be about the same width as the TV. Also I thought you we are only allowed to burn kiln dried wood nowadays. It's also one less hole in the house/roof. I won't miss lugging the coal/wood into the house as I get older. Edited November 25, 2021 by Happy Valley 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russdl Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 55 minutes ago, andy said: Bad idea. Burning hydrocarbons causes pollution, really don't go there (from an air quality perspective). Oo-er. Looks like I’ve got some learning to do. I’ve got one, used it a couple of times. I was under the impression that they were perfectly safe for indoor use - that’s what they’re sold for. What am I missing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 I put a woodburner in my build, don’t light it that often but looks lovely and heats quickly. We are out in the sticks but I know @pocster is well within the city of Bristol surrounded on All sides by other houses so he won’t be popular ( if he isn’t already ?♂️). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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