swisscheese Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Hi, This may appear a bit lazy but has anybody got/done a check list of everything needed to self install (along with a friendly electrician) a Monobloc ASHP. Just looking for a starting point. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToughButterCup Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 No, I don't think so. But, it would be useful to start one. How about it @swisscheese ? If you do, you won't be on your own. I'm sure members will muck in with you. I will too. Then we can pin it. YooChube has a good range of how-to videos, and they are often a good starting point. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 You could do worse than start with these documents: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/456656/domestic_ventilation_compliance_guide_2010.pdf http://www.ncm-pcdb.org.uk/sap/filelibrary/pdf/Check_Lists/MVHR_Installation_Guide_Final_11_02_11.pdf There are also several "best practice" type guides from MVHR manufacturers/suppliers, such as: www.nuaire.info/bpguides/BestPracticeInstallationGuide-MVHR.pdf https://www.bpcventilation.com/media/download_documents/bpc_.installation_of_a_heat_recovery_system_with_unit_info_2016.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulianB Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 Morning All, Re-starting this thread as contemplating going down the DIY install route for my ASHP. The current plans are to go with a Panasonic TCAP with a 50lt buffer tank as per their recommendation (sounds straight forward!). I understand that the G3 kit would need to be signed off annually by a suitably qualified plumber, and I'd need to do my research with regards to regulations around routing and what not, but were there any significant pitfalls in regards to the actual ASHP setup and commissioning. I've gone through the installation manual and can see the numerous options for setting up the control system, but other than that it does appear quite simple? My feed/return from the ASHP will be a short 2m 'above ground' route, which simply runs through an external wall which already has a duct in anticipation, and under the staircase where I'm hoping to site the UVC / buffer tank. I have thought about their DUO pre-plumbed tank which offers a 300l +70l buffer tank in one package, but not sure if this will fit under in the allocated area, and whether this will work out any more cost affect or quicker in the long run. The supplier of the ASHP is trying to steer me down getting an installer to do it, which I can understand seeing as he'd have greater piece of mind w.r.t. the warranty Has anyone had any good / bad experiences in going down the DIY route please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 I DIY installed my own LG ASHP. I had some issues with the ASHP but that was not down particularly to the installation so not relevant to this discussion. I did all the pipework for the UVC then got a local plumber to commision it and sign it off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 18 minutes ago, JulianB said: Morning All, Re-starting this thread as contemplating going down the DIY install route for my ASHP. The current plans are to go with a Panasonic TCAP with a 50lt buffer tank as per their recommendation (sounds straight forward!). I understand that the G3 kit would need to be signed off annually by a suitably qualified plumber, and I'd need to do my research with regards to regulations around routing and what not, but were there any significant pitfalls in regards to the actual ASHP setup and commissioning. I've gone through the installation manual and can see the numerous options for setting up the control system, but other than that it does appear quite simple? My feed/return from the ASHP will be a short 2m 'above ground' route, which simply runs through an external wall which already has a duct in anticipation, and under the staircase where I'm hoping to site the UVC / buffer tank. I have thought about their DUO pre-plumbed tank which offers a 300l +70l buffer tank in one package, but not sure if this will fit under in the allocated area, and whether this will work out any more cost affect or quicker in the long run. The supplier of the ASHP is trying to steer me down getting an installer to do it, which I can understand seeing as he'd have greater piece of mind w.r.t. the warranty Has anyone had any good / bad experiences in going down the DIY route please? I have just had my Panasonic 9kw ( not Tcap) fitted before xmas. I had a plumber friend to help with the pipework and I did the rest with help from people on this forum. It was a bit nerve wracking at first as although I have done most things in my build the thought of damaging my ASHP was always at the front of my mind. What i will say is if you follow the pipe layout as per the drawing it is very easy to do. Connect up the wiring as per the diagram, turn it on (everything crossed) and hope it works which in my case it did. My now new habit is to check with my controller to see how the system is running and check the energy monitor as this is what self builders do!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulianB Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 4 hours ago, ProDave said: I DIY installed my own LG ASHP. I had some issues with the ASHP but that was not down particularly to the installation so not relevant to this discussion. I did all the pipework for the UVC then got a local plumber to commision it and sign it off. Good to hear! Out of curiousity could I ask what sort of issues you came across with the LG... 4 hours ago, Pete said: I have just had my Panasonic 9kw ( not Tcap) fitted before xmas. I had a plumber friend to help with the pipework and I did the rest with help from people on this forum. It was a bit nerve wracking at first as although I have done most things in my build the thought of damaging my ASHP was always at the front of my mind. What i will say is if you follow the pipe layout as per the drawing it is very easy to do. Connect up the wiring as per the diagram, turn it on (everything crossed) and hope it works which in my case it did. My now new habit is to check with my controller to see how the system is running and check the energy monitor as this is what self builders do!! How are you finding the Panasonic? The 9kW version is the same one we are most likely going with. I don't suppose you'd have any pictures of the install by any chance? I intend on following the schematic below...All that data at your finger tips must be tantalising! How was it been performing so far? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MortarThePoint Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 Can you do a DIY installation and qualify for the Renewal Heat Incentive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 38 minutes ago, JulianB said: Good to hear! Out of curiousity could I ask what sort of issues you came across with the LG... Long thread here Short version, I had trouble getting the water flow rate high enough, I had to fit a second pump to achieve that. Then I had issues with spurious low flow errors that I don't believe were really that simple. Read the thread if you are bored. In fairness mine is an old version and the ones supplied now are quite different with a different controller, so if my suspicion that my unit has a lot of bugs in the hardware / firmware are true, then hopefully they are sorted out with the current versions. I certainly don't hear of people having issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gav_P Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 I diy installed mine too (carrier based, kingspan labelled). Simpler system, as it doesn’t really have the control system of most. Just 2 pipes, power and 0v switch. No buffer tank, 3 zones (UFH manifold, radiators upstairs, DHW - UVC), one pump, one filter, some isolation valves... job done. @joe90 did his own as well. He has a buffer tank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gav_P Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 Just now, Gav_P said: I diy installed mine too (carrier based, kingspan labelled). Simpler system, as it doesn’t really have the control system of most. Just 2 pipes, power and 0v switch. No buffer tank, 3 zones (UFH manifold, radiators upstairs, DHW - UVC), one pump, one filter, some isolation valves... job done. @joe90 did his own as well. He has a buffer tank. I did have one technical issue - I’m a dunce and needed prodave to fix a pcb that I buggered up by not thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 1 minute ago, Gav_P said: I did have one technical issue - I’m a dunce and needed prodave to fix a pcb that I buggered up by not thinking. ha, you’re not the only one, I misread some instructions and blew up my main PCB but managed to get a replacement thanks to someone on this thread finding a supplier in the EU.? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joth Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 37 minutes ago, MortarThePoint said: Can you do a DIY installation and qualify for the Renewal Heat Incentive? Only if you happen to be an MCS certified installer. (Or can find one you can convince to sign off your DIY install. This is tricky, as amongst other things they have to take ownership of the system design for warranty purposes) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 18 hours ago, JulianB said: Good to hear! Out of curiousity could I ask what sort of issues you came across with the LG... How are you finding the Panasonic? The 9kW version is the same one we are most likely going with. I don't suppose you'd have any pictures of the install by any chance? I intend on following the schematic below...All that data at your finger tips must be tantalising! How was it been performing so far? Really pleased with the Panasonic but then ASHP are new to me so have nothing to compare it with. It is performing as well as can be expected and our elec usage is pretty low. Yesterday we used 10kw for heat and HW for a 330m2 house. I cannot get over how the slab holds the heat for hours and hours. I know this was meant to happen but when you walk round in bare feet many hours after there has been no heat input and it is still warm is great. The controller took some getting used to but now I have got to grips with it. There are no schematic drawings in your post? I will post some pics later of the install. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 3 minutes ago, Pete said: kw You all know what I am going to say, so shall not bother. On 22/10/2016 at 13:02, ToughButterCup said: it would be useful to start one. How about it I have suggested to @PeterW that we have a basic plumbing explanation thread/blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterW Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 18 hours ago, MortarThePoint said: Can you do a DIY installation and qualify for the Renewal Heat Incentive? No has to be MCS but they will add £5k to the install price and in a new decent spec build you will never recover the difference with the RHI payments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 1 hour ago, SteamyTea said: You all know what I am going to say, so shall not bother. I have suggested to @PeterW that we have a basic plumbing explanation thread/blog. Kw, kw, kw. ? Not like you to be touchy. Stick to winding up @epsilonGreedy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulianB Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 On 06/02/2021 at 09:26, Pete said: Really pleased with the Panasonic but then ASHP are new to me so have nothing to compare it with. It is performing as well as can be expected and our elec usage is pretty low. Yesterday we used 10kw for heat and HW for a 330m2 house. I cannot get over how the slab holds the heat for hours and hours. I know this was meant to happen but when you walk round in bare feet many hours after there has been no heat input and it is still warm is great. The controller took some getting used to but now I have got to grips with it. There are no schematic drawings in your post? I will post some pics later of the install. Apologies! Schematic below (hopefully) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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