Triassic Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 So assuming we on BuildHub declare a climate emergency, what should be on the list of positive actions we could, or should, take when renovating or building new property? I’m thinking a bit of an @AnonymousBosch style checklist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 If it is just housing, then large scale blocks of flats. They have small footprints, so leaves lots of land for other things, low energy usage, centralised management, good local infrastructure i.e. work, retail, leisure facilities, transport. Probably not the utopia future we imagined for our retirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oz07 Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 Don't forget a passive rated seperate poor door for the social scum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottishjohn Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 36 minutes ago, Oz07 said: Don't forget a passive rated seperate poor door for the social scum free full strength heroin for them all --problem solved 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 1 hour ago, SteamyTea said: If it is just housing, then large scale blocks of flats. They have small footprints, so leaves lots of land for other things, low energy usage, centralised management, good local infrastructure i.e. work, retail, leisure facilities, transport. Probably not the utopia future we imagined for our retirement. 100% right. Well insulated and with balcony/roof terrace space, these can be nice and there are a Quite a few examples (abroad) how to do it. the central utility is a great thing as it is really silly doing all the heating / warm water / PV but even washing machines and dryers individually for each house. unfortunately this is how it works at the moment but doesn't mean that there are more clever ideas out there (which even been proven to work) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Patrick said: how it works at the moment but doesn't mean that there are more clever ideas out there The alternative is to have large investment into renewable generation, then, apart from commuter congestion, we can live just about were we like. There would be no environmental penalty for using energy (kind off, ish). I think that we will probably have a similar mix of housing that we have at the moment. One area that does need sorting, and sorting fast, is energy intensive industries i.e. concrete, steel, plastic, food manufacturing. We cannot just export this this and then claim virtue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottishjohn Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Patrick said: 100% right. Well insulated and with balcony/roof terrace space, these can be nice and there are a Quite a few examples (abroad) how to do it. the central utility is a great thing as it is really silly doing all the heating / warm water / PV but even washing machines and dryers individually for each house. unfortunately this is how it works at the moment but doesn't mean that there are more clever ideas out there (which even been proven to work) that is the definition of social housing ,which has been proved to not work and spawns gang culture etc so unless you going to have built in policeman in each block -you will be replacing the tower blocks that they have been pulling down for the last 20 years Edited July 21, 2019 by scottishjohn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daiking Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 (edited) 35 minutes ago, scottishjohn said: that is the definition of social housing ,which has been proved to not work and spawns gang culture etc so unless you going to have built in policeman in each block -you will be replacing the tower blocks that they have been pulling down for the last 20 years Singapore? (Ok so the blocks further out from the city centre don’t look quite so salubrious, rooftop running track anyone? But I doubt they’re a hot bed of anti social behaviour either) Edited July 21, 2019 by daiking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragg987 Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 Singapore is a difference in culture. Here tower blocks tend to be associated with low cost housing, so the problems are more related to deprivation, poverty etc. In Singapore the ubiquitous HDB blocks are made for the majority of the population. They also build towers with amenities e.g. shops and food courts so they become a hub. Lots of "executive" towers are now appearing in our cities, I wonder if perceptions will change over time. As a note, we rented one of these executive flats for 6 months prior to moving into our new build. Quality of build and insulation leaves a lot to be desired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 2 hours ago, ragg987 said: Singapore is a difference in culture. Here tower blocks tend to be associated with low cost housing, so the problems are more related to deprivation, poverty etc. In Singapore the ubiquitous HDB blocks are made for the majority of the population. They also build towers with amenities e.g. shops and food courts so they become a hub. Hence why I said it works elsewhere and needs to be addressed on a higher level. Living in flats and building blocks of flats is quite the norm in most metropolitan areas in Western society, because it makes a lot of sense. The social problems that come with it are not caused by the flats, but by the government/society around it and how you organise this whole thing. Like you already pointed out in your Singapore and "executive flats" example Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 3 hours ago, scottishjohn said: that is the definition of social housing ,which has been proved to not work and spawns gang culture etc so unless you going to have built in policeman in each block -you will be replacing the tower blocks that they have been pulling down for the last 20 years I completely disagree. This is not the definition of social housing. You can put social housing into flats, or council houses, the result will be the same if you put poor people into ghettos and let them just get on with it without any support (Banlieus, anyone?). This however is a completely different topic than the building itself. There are , even in the UK, examples of high quality flats build with a full maintenance service included. This doesn't have to be more expensive than buying houses, it really should be cheaper. The problem is with the regulations, and in my opinion partly also with this stupid "freehold - leasehold" difference that has been established in the UK. Plenty of examples why the Leasehold system is a bad idea and should be changed. But that's a different topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 Shared freehold of flats works well in Scotland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K78 Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 4 hours ago, scottishjohn said: free full strength heroin for them all --problem solved Not at all funny. 3 hours ago, scottishjohn said: that is the definition of social housing ,which has been proved to not work and spawns gang culture etc so unless you going to have built in policeman in each block -you will be replacing the tower blocks that they have been pulling down for the last 20 years Social housing spawns gang culture? Really? A little rich shit from hale barns got away with stabbing a kid a few weeks back. He wouldn’t have got away with it if he was from a council estate. Youth culture spawns gang culture. Im sure a policeman in each block would be great if they weren’t useless, glorified traffic wardens. They let kids riot in city centres and grooming gangs rape kids ffs. What good would your policeman per block be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToughButterCup Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 6 hours ago, Oz07 said: Don't forget a passive rated separate poor door for the social scum And passiv rated cat flaps for their flea-bitten felines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottishjohn Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 4 hours ago, K78 said: Not at all funny. Social housing spawns gang culture? Really? A little rich shit from hale barns got away with stabbing a kid a few weeks back. He wouldn’t have got away with it if he was from a council estate. Youth culture spawns gang culture. Im sure a policeman in each block would be great if they weren’t useless, glorified traffic wardens. They let kids riot in city centres and grooming gangs rape kids ffs. What good would your policeman per block be. no point in continuing this if you really believe what you are saying . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daiking Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 10 hours ago, ragg987 said: Singapore is a difference in culture. Here tower blocks tend to be associated with low cost housing, so the problems are more related to deprivation, poverty etc. In Singapore the ubiquitous HDB blocks are made for the majority of the population. They also build towers with amenities e.g. shops and food courts so they become a hub. Lots of "executive" towers are now appearing in our cities, I wonder if perceptions will change over time. As a note, we rented one of these executive flats for 6 months prior to moving into our new build. Quality of build and insulation leaves a lot to be desired. Exactly. Culture from top to bottom of society in all sectors. Not the architecture or design, the people. as an aside let’s put this out there... every tradesman, large build co exec, building inspector not really giving a f*** because “it will be alright. Why do we need to follow the regs?” is culpable for grenfell. The culture is rotten from top to bottom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, daiking said: every tradesman, large build co exec, building inspector not really giving a f*** because “it will be alright. Why do we need to follow the regs?” is culpable for grenfell There was a documentary about Ronan Point a few years back. One of the workers was actually laughing about how they saved time, and therefore earned more, by skipping on the number of bolts that held the place together. Should be locked up if he is still alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willbish Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 13 hours ago, Triassic said: So assuming we on BuildHub declare a climate emergency, what should be on the list of positive actions we could, or should, take when renovating or building new property? I’m thinking a bit of an @AnonymousBosch style checklist No more greenfield development until all brown field sites utilised and empty homes brought back into use 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragg987 Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 Fabric first. It lasts for the life of the build, saving energy sun, rain or snow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joth Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 (edited) 14 hours ago, Triassic said: So assuming we on BuildHub declare a climate emergency, what should be on the list of positive actions we could, or should, take when renovating or building new property? I’m thinking a bit of an @AnonymousBosch style checklist No particular order. insulate, airtight, ventilate right. Assume and (prepare to) optimize for an all-green grid: batteries, car charger, ASHP, induction hob, solar PV, demand-side response etc etc. Minimize concrete use If (re)developing property in groups or blocks, consider district heating or shared ground-source loops and shared water recycling plan. Choose location to minimize commute/travel needs. Can be the hardest thing of all in plot-finding. Be Awesome. Contribute to, and benefit from a fantastic online resource that aids and educates others looking to do all of the above. Edited July 21, 2019 by joth 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Im sure a policeman in each block would be great if they weren’t useless, glorified traffic wardens. They let kids riot in city centres and grooming gangs rape kids ffs. What good would your policeman per block be. k78 This comment shows you literally have no idea what your talking about, do you even know any police officers or do you base your ideas on what you read in the daily mail. Your ignorant ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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