scottishjohn

the current trend to go full open plan will not make controlling temp through out the house easy and I Intend to have rooms and dif zones for temp control as I have now . why would i want kitchen same temp 24/7 as living area? -separate kitchen keeps smells where you want them . for that same reason I,m not convinced on MVHR ,as my wife will not stop opening windows to get in fresh air everyday ,how ever i build it Of course we do have fresh clean air up here last time i was in a garage with an mot gas analyser in glasgow and was similar in manchester the Oxygen content of the atmosphere was 18 .2 % here in the country side it is always 20-21% thats a large difference that no MVHR will make up for in your house

I,m suprised the victorians with their love of cast iron didn,t make such a thing or italians --cast a highly polished alluminim one like they do the radiators or even SS to go with the ultra modern designer bathroom simple to tig weld ss piping to back of it

I did think it would be his sort of thing .LOL

In scotland check out isodom 2000 https://econekt.co.uk/ econeckt in glasgow is agent +they are also family building firm as well will supply or anything up to turn key worth a look at least

for those of you who like to wallow for hours in the bath I,m suprised no one seems offers a bath with UFH piping wrapped around it and bonded to the grp +then spray foam on top of it to keep heat going inwards + a temp control to keep bath water up to temp all day long if you wanted my first wife was one of those and I often planned how easy it would be to even as a retro fit . it could also be the bathroom heater /towel rail the rest of the time ?

just as an aside to the problem you see the green stuff on the copper pipes --thats showing the plumber did not clean all the acid flux off after doing the joints In time that could cause corrosion of the copper pipe ,as you already have the tell tale signs probably will not rot pipes right through -- but cleaning all copper pipes very carefully after soldering is highly advised so no active acid flux left behind which is why i have already decided to have no joints anywhere that is boxed in by using a pexi pipe system and manifolds , junctions are in places you can get at them in the future

my present ufh/suspended floor on an old TF house works very similar which got me thinking more about this . Ifeel there is a mid way to get best of both and full use of free suns energy without more technology to harness it

can,t directly agree with that if floor is absorbing heat ,then it will also give it out at same rate as normal and if slab rises to above the temp set -heating will turn off until it goes below that again . the problem I am seeing from what you all write is that floor is up to temp already ,then you get solar gain , so house temp rises and because floor does not change quickly even if it turns off you get the unwanted extra heat absorbed into the floor. If the floor could change quickly then the problem would be lessened . trying to work out how much heat you will get ,so you could turn off the UFH before it gets to target temps,saving energy and letting sun top it up is a very hard thing . air in its self is a very good insulator so your solar gain is coming from the sun heating something solid -- so temp rise is a result of that hard surface letting the heat out again the energy to heat the house will be the same no matter if it comes from a large amount stored in floor or a smaller heat store of thinner floor ,but which then turns on heat source sooner to top it up maybe for you guys with excess PV the sunamp is very good idea so you store the excess energy ready to be used when needed be it for the UFh or DHW using air con to combat this which is costing energy seems wrong in our very changeable Uk climate . fine if canada where they have proper seasons --

yes low voltage and high amperage will still hurt you . when i was young and foolish i was working on a car with a wrist watch and it shorted down on the battery terminal when trying to get to something hidden -- took a few weeks for the skin to grow again as it took a lots of layers off before i could get my hand out and was very painful for a long time . watch kept working .

welcome to my world its always like that on cars --you need to disconnect totaly what you trying to test cos so many other connections you can get a reading that is not coming form what you think it is cos there are so many other connections somewhere you can,t see and splices on wiring s you can,t see or find its just you don't, get dead if you touch wrong thing on car -

one might wonder why they are not using solid single strand wiring in that sort of installation -should not be any vibration to worry about and could be bent to shape and could be clamped . we know the answer --its probably cheaper cos you can ,If i remember correctly, use thinner multi stranded wire for same current load,as current passes along the surface of wire

close enough --not Italian anyway

It may depend on where you live ,,as in scotland there will or maybe will be less thermal gain than in S/E england

Italians never could make good wiring or chrome ask anybody who's had an itialian motor bike or car but notice the contactor is german !!

that will be the cheap and nasty chinese contactor they use .LOL. the fact JS says his a bit bigger says it all--bean counters again I have similar contactors in vehicle ramps and never had one go in 30 years -

I have been reading and following lots of topics and the one that keeps coming back again and again is excesive solar gain and how it causes over heating in near pasiiv houses so my suggestion for discussion is "do we really need such a thick slab to act as a heat store " heating thick floor takes a long time ,the house does not loose heat quickly if is well insulated + then out comes the sun and you need to lower the house temp . why not just a thinner slab so it can change temp quickly how will it be any more expensive just to heat the floor when you need it and so get round the over heating , excessive solar gain onto a floor that is already up to temp must be a waste of energy in first place -use the solar gain , to supplement the floor heating and not cause other problems ,which you may have to use energy to correct dropping floor temp of a large mass will not happen quickly and will again be a waste of energy

would not be first time i have seen these sort of trips hidden --so user don,t know where they are --so they cannot just keep resettting and they have to get it sorted

If the trip is on that side ,then they should have mentioned that it needs "x" amount of space around the unit when deciding on install location for getting to it in instructions . or better still have all bits you need to get at on one side of unit . I feel for you --just like stupid things they do on cars . EG range rover diesel --you have to remove body work to fit a new turbo on the v8.

so maybe a big thick slab is not the right answer / I retro fitted ufh into my chipboard floor close to 20 years ago and it does change temp very quickly even with it being tiled , cold to warm in under an hour and with in 20mins you can feel where the pipes are certainly it it were done from new with far superior insulation on the underside ,as I know mine is not perfect . maybe that a way to get round this problem ,yes the tiled floor does heat up form sun through windows ,but its only really the tiles that get warm and then release it to the air. so you just make heat when you need it ? Or maybe thin screed with pipe init so its not a big --wait for it !! "thermal mass" LOL why would you need a big heat store if heating requirements are very low anyway and ASHP works very quickly anyway , yes you would need to run temp on ashp higher maybe 40c , but it won,t be on for long and if its not an open plan then room stat will shut it off where not needed. no more over heating from sun through windows maybe?

yes floating stairs --and they are going have kids?? our BC would have a heart attack if he saw that

that really is a petrol head .LOL a wee 4stroke model aero engine is what you need .lol

you start off by saying you have PP,but now want to change it so the answer to your question about architect is keep him on side to make the alterations to planning you require as he will know better than you ,or should what they will allow . and until all this is sorted you will need architect and maybe a structural engineer at some point,depending on changes you wish to make . your architect will be the man to ask about planning the trades and in what order ,he might even know of local good trades

Hi, yes i looked last night to see If i could recognize the tin most say they are a blend of lacquer +preservative ,all except one which has a 7 year re treatment period ,which does not mention any lacquer in it I suspect it was that one , but maybe spec has changed since then ? anything that makes a lacquer coat ,could in time fade or go opaque ,then need sanduing off --the stuff we used you just put another coat on https://www.amazon.co.uk/XYLADECOR-Protection-Choose-Container-Colour/dp/B004XBO8JQ/ref=sr_1_fkmrnull_1?keywords=xyladecor%2Bdauerschutz&qid=1555054959&s=diy&sr=1-1-fkmrnull&th=1 but i would check with ako -nobel tech department . where did we buy it? --- come on now thats over 20 years ago ..LOL was no internet then . I remember it was over £20 a gallon then and a chalet took 3 tins to do watch out for the drips on the concrete . we were lucky all chalets were surrounded by grass --

Ok --then buy a truck load of preservative .lol years ago we had a chalet park which had sweedish wood chalets and they needed treating every 4 years the cladding was vertical and every 10ft or so on each wall was an expansion joint when they needed doing you could put your fingers in the gap,or close to it treat it and the gaps dissappeared the makes was xyladecor -- very slightly tinted in colour --and was like piss,didn,t seem to have any sort of lacquer in it --but it went on easy and just disappeared into the wood it did work very well and smelled a bit like parafin--definately not water based was not cheap-- but would use it again --chalets were 30 years old when we had it and wood looked like new people we sold it --did not do it so, they have had to re-clad it some years on --and the cheap skates have used horizontal pine ship lap instead of vertical t+g--already looks crap

all the above or why i don,t have a smart phone and use my old one only when i,m away from home area for phone calls --nothing else no doubt mi5 will check up on people like me at some point because we don,t use them .so must be up to no good