MikeSharp01

Give up the telly and drink tap water - 100% saving on those two - what's next. Turn off my pc and stop posting he..

Is this banter getting a bit rich for this thread?

Relative is the word as some in wall insulations can make internal walls quite difficult. There are APPS you can get for your phone that will allow you to look at the relative signal strengths around the place I use WiFiAnalyzer.

I don't have the situation I mentioned but have heard about it, so no but I get the point, I still worry the IoT will saturate the WiFi eventually although I also appreciate that the WiFi will get better and, as things are, I won't be convinced that the WiFi Access Points won't need a wired connection to be fully effective.

What goes around comes around, try living in a block of flats with loads of Wifi from different suppliers all colliding and then try playing some of the high bandwidth games! Otherwise I tend to agree but I am going to put it in everywhere, it will be of its time.

Reason Enough to bring it up I suppose - I just thought how mad is that, then I thought of all the comms one might need there and wondering if they would all be IoT WiFi or would need a wired connection. Then I found this, from 2014 - and wondered why it hadn't caught on quite yet? https://www.broadbandbuyer.com/features/2213-connecting-your-smart-fridge-to-the-internet/

Do I need to run CAT 6 to the kitchen island? (There I said it was silly - until I thought about it.) Might I even need a patch panel?

Hi. And welcome... a bit more detail would help, IE is the permission being sought for a nuclear power station or a new roof on an old shed? Or do you need it because you have 'been caught' or for some reason.

Caving?

Had a deeper dive on all this - for a bit of fun and as a refresh - last time I did any serious networking was back in 2014. It looks like the main products in the space are the Ubiquiti Unifi and TP-Link products in the prosumer market. There are others and you can build your system from scratch of course. I found a great video that purports to look at the TP-link system but then compares it to Ubiquiti. TP-link is much cheaper but has weaker security (No two factor as yet) and the Access points from Ubiquiti look smarter than those from TP-link.

Don't want to add to your angst but depending on how many ports you need it looks like you might be able to get a single box to do all the switching / managing etc. I think TP-LINK have the OMADA SDN built into their larger switches . EG This one @ £205+VAT- although I may have read that wrong! Seems like a sensible integration anyway. https://www.broadbandbuyer.com/products/40617-tp-link-tl-sg2428p/specifications/#content

Probably best to get the selfbuild mortgage from one of the help to build providers. (Its a government scheme and is basically the same as help to buy but in the self build market.) I guess if you need it then it will help if you can do without it or have a vehicle to pay it off before its starts accruing interest then it may be worth it. However in the current situation you might speculate on what house prices will do because that portion of your homes equity subject to help to build has a fixed lower value (as when you took it out) but the house value may go down. However you can pay it off anytime so you might see it as a moderately risky bridging loan (interest free for a few years) provided you can pay it off otherwise your repayments will go up to cover the help to build portion and it will track your house price at the relevant percentage. Just things to think about as I am no sort of advisor on these matters.

Ok - so I spoke to my local expert. You have to have a mortgage and build the house before you can get the help to build loan - it, in effect, pays off a chunk, size of which depends on a number of factors, of your Mortgage once the house is built - thus reducing the repayments, it is interest free for a period and then you pay interest. Also, by the looks of it, you can get into negative equity with it just like any other loan.

Not heard of it - I will ask my local expert!

And hopefully not rebuilt by the previous bovine managers.

Yes but it must be a continuum, and in multiple dimensions, so one very bad, the next slightly less so - all the way to perfect and, you of all people, must know that in such a large sample it should exhibit a normal distribution at which point is is all about the Kurtosis.

Eeeeeek - at least the insurers are sorting it out for them, loads of disruption though.

That's a dinky rack, like it.

Been there, done that, and now OFSTED have a remit in universities via the degree apprenticeship, need to keep an eye again. However the basic remit remains the same take closed minds and open them.

No you have overlooked the fundamental reason for education. Education is about endevoring to take closed minds and make them open. The basic goal is founded on the principle, in a free country such as this notionally is, that we want all members of society to be able to either agree with each other, have the wherewithal to change the minds of others or find common ground on which both can agree. It really is that simple. Sometimes it does not equip people well to see the other side of the argument or even be eloquent in their discourse but this does not mean either side is in the wrong. It mearly means that one or both sides need to increase the reach and strength of their argument(s) NOT the volume of their voices.

Thanks - why didnt I get that. Not sure it's in their interests to get us to cut back they want to sell more product not less but they control demand with cost, in their case the cost of making what they make using gas - daft but seems true. P.S. we are way off topic here do we need a new thread.

Yes it always does but the outcomes are not always predictable so it may appear not to. If you have an education you are educated if not you are not. Neither way round precludes genius or wastrel.

Sorry brain fog RE?

This is a great example of the 'socio-technological gap' technology has the capability to do things that society finds difficult. So the entrepreneur needs to path the gap closed for the society, show them the way and if you are lucky they will go for it and allow load shifted fluffing. If you are an Economy 7 customer you should already be doing it anyway. As with any problem / opportunity, your world view matters, and you can either go through it, round it or over it. (Others may see this differently EG fix it upstream, midstream or downstream ) So in this case we might spend our energies, pardon the pun, in three broad areas (from a big picture point of view and there are many other ways to see this). 1. Through it / midstream - we are already doing that by showing how things might be done the way we are doing it already but slightly better. Conserving energy by load shifting and educating the populace. [Evolutionary?] 2. Round it / downstream - Seek a. to educate people that fluffy towels are a thing of the past [Evolutionary]or b. make it so towels fluff themselves - which might also be an example of upstream as well but hey bear with. [Perhaps revolutionary as many other things would get and stay fluffy] 3. Over it / upstream - Fight to get a fair price for our exported energy so we can use the communal supply as and when - fluff whenever we need. In 1 and 3 fluffing is still with us while in 2 we no longer need to worry about it. But 3 would have massive additional opportunities. I guess the question then is who will be the biggest winners. (Don't worry either way it won't be you or I)

Can you limit access to local, do you have to have the cloud connected to operate it all? I am trying to ensure we don't have any, always on - always listening - always logging, external connectivity except though our bespoke pathway. (I appreciate that those that follow might want to use the proprietary stuff but while I am here I want none of it.)