Roger440

I gues my understanding of "design" might be slightly different from others. So, do you need to specify you will will use a 6kw heat pump, or do you need to say it will be a valiant heat pump with a pipe run secured to a specific wall etc. The latter would seem a tall order and a bit restrictive. Clearly locating service ducts etc through a foundation are a no brainer. Thats not how i interprated the OP's post.

Is this actually a requirement now? I cant believe everyone designs all that before you even start work on the house.

Thing is, im not sure i actually want "change". Just people that can govern, honestly, in the best interests of the people and country. Where they sit on the political spectrum, actually comes a poor second. Id hapily vote for someone/people who i disagree with politically, if i thought they were honest and had integrity. Indeed, doing so might not even be good for me personally. I suspect you are right that the the majority will vote for alternatives, probably ever more extreme. But thats simply a response to the abject failure of those who do win to actually do anything. Anything other than enrich themselves that is. Strangely, they, mostly, seem quite good at that. Some of them exceptional. Shame they couldnt put those talents to good use for the benefit of all of us. Im not angry. Just resigned to the inevitable. I recognise and appreciate ive lived through the good times, probably the best times. But i think im ok to be "unhappy" with where its going. Though i guess i do get a bit worked up when they take my money, that ive worked so hard for, to try and provide for my impending retirement by continously moving the goal posts, at a stage of life where there is little i can do to recover it. Id imagine most people would get a bit annoyed by that.

Well i cant be a politician can i? Because i have some principles, and morals, im not going to get far am ? Ive always voted. Sadly, it seems we get the same result each time. Just a different colour. The only good news is that our two favourite colours of the past, might not be the same two going forward. Though, i suspect i will be business as usual as the new suspects get settled in to things and do exactly the same as the previous suspects with regard to enriching themselves. And lying. But, more worryingly, from more extreme positions. Which in wales will be the far left, while england goes the other way. But, no, you are niether realist or pessimist. At least based on your postings here. Which may or may not reflect reality.

I did say that was a bit extreme, and it isnt a serious suggestion. It was more to demonstrate the ridiculous position we have got to.

Oddly enough, the welsh government proposed a bill to do that. You wont be surprised to know they have now changed their mind and wont be proceeding with it. And one wonders why we are cynical.

Not sure id call it defeatist. More, realist. No doubt, from many decades of experience. You on the other hand appear to be a hopeless optimist. Writing it down makes no difference at all. Maybe to you, but not to any outcome. 5 years in office is plenty enough time to enrich yourself, who cares if you lose next time round. After being "tested" as you put it. We have become so used to the lies that come, almost on a daily basis, that we all just ignore it and get on with our lives as best we can. Ive got this great idea. Dont action your manifesto promises, lifetime prison sentance. That would stop it dead. Ill vote for that. Ok, maybe a tad extreme, but writing it down does exactly nothing. I had, lets call it an exchange, with a member of Plaid (being as im in wales) the far left party looking in pole position to take over here. Constant posts on facebook about various things, refer to our manifesto for details. Sure, so i did. So, given its at odds with some of their current utterings, i question it. After a lot of roundabout weasel words, seems i cant and shouldnt take the manifesto as a manifesto, and that they will change it anytime they want (and do). Whatever else you might say about them, their new leader has clearly seen what worked for Starmer and is basically saying whatever he thinks plays well to the gallery at that moment in time. Manifestos? Worthless. Summary: Dont rely on our manifesto as we will just change it whenever we feel like it. Dont think this "its written down" idea of yours will fly. Ive still got "no tax rises for working people" ringing in my ears. Another complete lie. It will be interesting to see if your hopless optimisim is still in play in 20 years time?

Looks like things will stay as they are then...................... Or get worse.

I an genuinely surprised you cant see what he is getting out of it. Are you really that blind to how it works? Take a look at net worth of ex PM's before and post being PM. Even Angela Rayners net worth has gone up by a couple of million in a year! Money, and lots of it. Far beyond anything possible by a good legal career. By the time he is done he will be worth tens of millions, if not more. Same as Rishi rocking up in politics whilst already incredibly wealthy beyond most peoples comprehension If you think Whitty is a good example, there is no hope. Buckled at the first sign of pressure and then did whatever he was told to do/say. Principled, right up to the point it mattered. Still, at least we agree on the corporate influence and a woeful civil service. However, as you yourself observe, little likelihood of resolution, if indeed its even possible at this stage of decline.

It has. For now. Another route is now the prefered option. But yet to make it through planning. Though, as minsters who claim to object to it, sit on the board, i would imagine it will glide through. Result for me if so, not so much for the poor buggers who do get a pylon plonked in their garden. But perfectly possible for it to make a return, depending how things go. Lets be honest, its already virtually unsellable until such time as the pylons route is aproved AND built, as theres always the risk of the proposal coming back. If i actually needed to sell it now, im screwed.

I was thinking about current politicians, not those of the past. Bit worrying that you include Starmer though. A big part of the problem. In it, only for what he can get out of it. Id probably go beyond that to say, the big problem now is that the very idea of government has been hijacked by corparate interests. Starmer being a great example. Probably running off topic now...............

Thats TEN times further away. My last place there was one about 350m away. That wasnt much of an issue.

Indeed. It would render the property unsellable. Its one thing to have a pylon 1/4 of a mile away, but a 100ft is a whole different ball game. To me, the only acceptable compensation would be the ful value, prior to the plans + inflation. Even then, id be significantly disadvantaged as it a bit of a unicorn proprty, but i guess you cant cover everything. But if you are in the southeast on the HS2 route, then you do get the full value,

Do please enlighten us who the serious politicians are? Yes, there are some, but the system doesnt reward those. The ones that rise to the top are, manifestly, not the ones we need at the top.

Hmmm, but close to home that. The scam outfit currently seeking planning for a pylon route near me did, on the first round, plan to put a pylon in my garden, 100ft from the back of my house. Plan 2 put it 50ft in front of my house. Fortunately its now gone elsewhere. Theres a few on here suggesting that is all ok in the greater interests of the country. Try being one of those affected. And get a one of £1500 for the pleasure. A close escape so far, but it aint over yet.

Clearly you can fathom it, for you answered the question in the same paragraph!

As someone who had this exact issue, i looked at all the obvious options. The reality is, doing a decent job from the roof space is going to be near impossble. I concluded that the risks of air under the pir, and subsequent moisture issues that could develop, it was a non starter. So, my prefered method was as iceverge suggested, insulation over the plaster board inside and then reboard over and skim. In the end the situation resolved itself as i ended up re-roofing, so did it from the outside. Which is, probably the only way to do it right.

Wise words from ProDave.

Well, it was marginally more complicated. But yes. My point was EPC bears little relation or indication of of actual energy use.

Indeed. I could get pretty much everything i wanted. For £300k more. But i dont have the £300k. And as you say, location is everything. If i did, id have built a house instead anyway. Always wanted to, still do. Just not going to happen. Because i dont have the money. All i can do with regard energy use, is improve it as much as i can in a cost effective manner. Even if i did nothing, the money i spend on energy wouldnt come close to covering the difference between what i have and what id like.

Lots, definitely. Id say most, because even, in the unlikely event they take into account the upgrades done, many will be invisible. And then, theres all the actual poor work, especially on insulation, that renders the assumptions, even if done well, meaningless from a running cost perspective. The house im in now, has insulated plaster board on battens in most of the newer (1980) part. But thanks to gross stupidity it stops at the soil stack. The stack is exposed under the kitchen workstop. It also goes upstairs into the roof and the boxing up there is open. So when breezy, the air simply comes down and across the floor. Marginally better than a tent. As you can imagine, it was essentially impossible to heat. "as existing" bears no relationship to the EPC, other than, its poor. Which is no surprise to anyone just standing at the roadside, if you have a couple of braincells. The one at my last house was just fradulent. So, yes, id say most EPC's are meaningless from an energy use perspective, maybe be slightly more useful from a construction perspective. Buer beware and all that.

No need to worry about hostile actors blowing up power stations. We do that ourselves. On purpose. Much as most of what you say makes sesnse, but your statement that long term bills will be lower i would suggest is fantasy. Assuming long term means, say, 10-20 years. Ive no real interest in a 100 years for example. Prices are only going up. To come down, would require actions that bring down the cost. I see no such action.

Excellent. But only government can do anything about said criminals. It chooses not too. You and i cant put them in jail. Of course, no scheme will ever be totally scammer proof. But they are not even trying. Its almost as if, its deliberately set up to be scammed. And creating cartels like MCS another government enabled scam. They are just throwing cash around with virtually no checks and balances. All of that IS a government problem.

The EPC just isnt a consideration for most. Me included. Its hard enough to find a house that ticks a number of boxes at a price you can afford. There are always significant compromises unless you are minted. There are a whole load of other things that are much more important the EPC/efficiency of a house. If you get hung up about an EPC, you will, likely, never buy a house. Mine was an E. Id like to have done better, but there wasnt anything else "better" within my budget that ticked the main boxes. Given the shortage of housing stock, its age, and its relative unaffordability, thats not going to change. And of course, most EPC's are not worth the paper they are written on. Only a fool would base the running costs of a house on the EPC. Maybe less so for a new build, but for anything older, pointless.

Corrupt people are not going away sadly. Even more sadly the government are incapable, or unwilling to accept that and build their schemes accordingly and so have, for a long time simply hosed cash on ill thought out wheezes. I guess closing a scheme is their only way of solving that.