Roger440

Bead blasting with glass and water.

When i use it, it will be for extended periods. As you ask, primarily, aqua blasting or painting. Aqua blasting is very air hungry and could be several hours. Any battery capable of supporting that will cost as much as a 3 phase connection. This needs to be low cost. Its just a hobby, albeit an out of control one. 2-3k i can live with, 20k i cant.

Not remotely viable for space and cost reasons. When im using air, im using lots of it.

As pointed out the bulk of my issues are covered elsewhere. So i abandoned the 3 phase and asked for a 100 amp 240v supply. They dont know what im going to connect to the end of it. Nor were they interested. Its 80 amp max. The end. Well not quite. For connections over 80amp, they should be 3 phase. Which takes us straight back to a 20k cost. However, the ENA thing is interesting. 23kva is a good chunk more than 80 amps. Therefore the ENA statement is contrary to national grids position. You are correct that take away the workshop and i can have a heatpump. But if i wanted an EV charger as well, in an all electric house, it starts to get very tight. Which i guess is why the ENA postion of 23kva makes a lot of sense. Except you cant have it if your particular DNO doesnt consider the ENA position relevant. Which seems to be where we are. One concludes that the ENA position is not fact or a requirement. Just a recommendation that can be roundly ignored if it suits the DNO. At this stage im mostly over it. Lifes to short to argue with utlity companies. Ive got nowhere in 2.5 years. Easier just to buy a genset. Useful for other reasons given our supply and where we are. Is your new supply single or three phase?

The bit missing here is i also have a workshop with demands as well. Primarily a compressor, which whilst it wont get used every day by any means is going to be 7-10kw affair. And a load of other much smaller stuff. I didnt make an application as they said no new connections over 80A regardless. The chap has been very helpful in fairness, but thats the rules. Battery isnt really going to fly as the compressor load is so big. The reality is, the requirement is infrequent, (its a hobby not a business) a few days a month max, so a genset to drive it is the most cost effective solution. Also has the benefit of not needing to lay a new, bigger cable to the workshop. And possibly have it completely stand alone, so no other electrical work required. Leaving the existing 60 amp supply to do "normal" domestic stuff. Though ill still need to step up to 80A if i get a HP as the shower and cooker are both electric at 30A each and occasionally are used at the same time.

It wasnt free, they wanted to charge for that too. But it wasnt very much.

Have you considered a block concrete wall? Like this https://ag.uk.com/outside-rooms/products/category/garden-walling/ Simplest thing in the world to do.

If you "own" them, then yes, id agree you probably are. However, i suspect they were not "owned", but ill not speak for the person in question. But id be less hasty to judge.

Its going to get a lot worse yet. Property and pensions are the 2 biggest stores of wealth. Expect them to be raided increasingly over the next few years, until we go bust and go to the IMF for a bailout. Aside from leaving the country, theres not much most of us can do.

Yep. And here we are with pretty much the most expensive power anywhere. And stuck with it. By choice. I dont need to repeat myself do i?

I agree that id vote for someone genuine, even if their views and actions were counter to mine at this stage. However, they are extremely thin on the ground, and if the are incorruptible, then they will never get to a position to make a meaningful impact. Sadly most won't have anyone to vote for on that basis. I didn't last time. They were all time served two faced parasites. Well their were genuine people to vote for, but they were never in contention. At least we can partially agree on something 👋

The government have to lead it. Government needs to demonstrate, not by words, but by actions, that's it's serious. When it does, I and doubtless many others will sit up and take note. It's not remotely serious about anything and hasn't been for a long time. Other than enriching themselves. They are exceptional at that. I know I bang on about the electricity price thing, but it's such a glaringly obvious thing to do, there's simply no excuse. All the debate about costs of running ashp, ev's etc. Gone. Instantly. People will be queuing up to have them. Instead, the government is willingly impoverishing it's citizens to protect the profits a handful of corporates. When/if the day arrives that we have serious government, I'll be sure to join in, until then, no. I'll do other things to help my fellow man and the environment that are beneficial. Indeed I have and do. As for preparing, good question, how are we going to prepare. What I can say is, after we have bankrupted ourselves on unsuccessful attempts at changing the climate, we will have no money left to deal with the fallout. So it will be even worse.

How much more evidence do you need? Open your eyes and look around. All the money is being siphoned off via all sorts of wheezes. If you want a small one, close to home, mcs. It's is, literally, a transfer of taxpayer cash to business. Yes a few smaller businesses along the way get rich too, but it's set up for grant harvesting. Got nothing to do with climate change. That's just a handy excuse for another wheeze.

It's a fair cop! Should be borne.

Not sure I can put it better than Dave did. It's also clear evidence, as if more were needed, the government is not remotely interested in climate change unless it's to enrich themselves. In which case it's top priority I'll repeat again. The government is not interested in climate change or you. They literally couldn't care less. Please tell me that you don't think kier and chums, or his predecessors care about you or the people?

It's a turn of phrase. Tried to post a link, but it won't let me, prob as I'm on my phoneyou will have to Google it

I said up previously it would be better to be honest. Better for us. But it wouldn't be better for the governing classes. I've already said what I would advocate. Prepare for the inevitable challenges ahead rather than seek to prevent the unpreventable. The reality is though that, be it trying to change the climate, or change to live with it, honesty about either isn't going to get you elected. I see no way that can change other than a dictatorship. Though it would help if government wasn't now firmly under the control of outside influences

You answered your own question. Nobody is going to vote for what is coming, so say nothing and continue promising the earth.

They do see it but it's not relevant to them. The purpose of government itself has been hijacked. It's not for the people any longer, it's for corporate and powerful individual advancement. And if course personal gain for those fronting it up. The faces at the top change, but behind that nothing changes.

Gross cynicism bourne of decades of experience. I'm not against change. But it needs to be for a purpose. If it's going to make me poorer, colder or whatever, let's be honest about it. Responding to climate change as is proposed will utterly destroy our way of life, our culture and future. We need to recognise that. The fairy tale future being pedaled is exactly that, a fairy tale. All I have said is the changes being discussed, especially around electricity pricing, are not going to happen. Which, despite all the evidence, that nothings happening, for some reason appears to be an unpopular view. I judge those that seek to govern us by what they do, not what they say. I've found that's worked well for me. So I'll continue in that vein.

Convincing me is easy. When i see prices drop because they have resolved the gas price link. You assert they will but offer no evidence beyond a pointless time wasting "consultation". Forgive me if i dont believe you.

I know exactly what you said. And sure prices have dropped from utterly bonkers to bonkers. But not because of decisive government action. Unfortunately, in order to avoid the elephant in the room, you are adopting classic politicians behaviour and avoiding the issue. Ill take your lack of willingness to bet on it as acceptance that the gas price artificial market issue isnt going away. The reality is we could have sensible electricity prices, with all the advantages that would bring, but through government choice, we dont.

You appear to be sidestepping the issue both myself and Dave have highlighted, ie the link with gas. The auctions for renewables isnt relevant to that. And i say again, if government were serious, they would do something about it. They are not and they wont. So, again, lets bet on it. Or is it that really, you know im right and we will still have bonkers electricity prices come 2030.

Edited to add, national grid aka Western Powers policy is, no new connections over 80 amps. 23kva is circa 93. Ive got a copy of said policy documents, and thats what it says. And thats what they are sticking too.

This is old news. When will the change take place and prices come down. I'll wait. I'll be waiting a very long time. Because it's not going to happen. To many invested interests in the status quo. Indeed happy to bet that by 2030 will still be having the same discussion. How strong is your conviction?