Roger440

It wasnt free, they wanted to charge for that too. But it wasnt very much.

Have you considered a block concrete wall? Like this https://ag.uk.com/outside-rooms/products/category/garden-walling/ Simplest thing in the world to do.

If you "own" them, then yes, id agree you probably are. However, i suspect they were not "owned", but ill not speak for the person in question. But id be less hasty to judge.

Its going to get a lot worse yet. Property and pensions are the 2 biggest stores of wealth. Expect them to be raided increasingly over the next few years, until we go bust and go to the IMF for a bailout. Aside from leaving the country, theres not much most of us can do.

Yep. And here we are with pretty much the most expensive power anywhere. And stuck with it. By choice. I dont need to repeat myself do i?

I agree that id vote for someone genuine, even if their views and actions were counter to mine at this stage. However, they are extremely thin on the ground, and if the are incorruptible, then they will never get to a position to make a meaningful impact. Sadly most won't have anyone to vote for on that basis. I didn't last time. They were all time served two faced parasites. Well their were genuine people to vote for, but they were never in contention. At least we can partially agree on something 👋

The government have to lead it. Government needs to demonstrate, not by words, but by actions, that's it's serious. When it does, I and doubtless many others will sit up and take note. It's not remotely serious about anything and hasn't been for a long time. Other than enriching themselves. They are exceptional at that. I know I bang on about the electricity price thing, but it's such a glaringly obvious thing to do, there's simply no excuse. All the debate about costs of running ashp, ev's etc. Gone. Instantly. People will be queuing up to have them. Instead, the government is willingly impoverishing it's citizens to protect the profits a handful of corporates. When/if the day arrives that we have serious government, I'll be sure to join in, until then, no. I'll do other things to help my fellow man and the environment that are beneficial. Indeed I have and do. As for preparing, good question, how are we going to prepare. What I can say is, after we have bankrupted ourselves on unsuccessful attempts at changing the climate, we will have no money left to deal with the fallout. So it will be even worse.

How much more evidence do you need? Open your eyes and look around. All the money is being siphoned off via all sorts of wheezes. If you want a small one, close to home, mcs. It's is, literally, a transfer of taxpayer cash to business. Yes a few smaller businesses along the way get rich too, but it's set up for grant harvesting. Got nothing to do with climate change. That's just a handy excuse for another wheeze.

It's a fair cop! Should be borne.

Not sure I can put it better than Dave did. It's also clear evidence, as if more were needed, the government is not remotely interested in climate change unless it's to enrich themselves. In which case it's top priority I'll repeat again. The government is not interested in climate change or you. They literally couldn't care less. Please tell me that you don't think kier and chums, or his predecessors care about you or the people?

It's a turn of phrase. Tried to post a link, but it won't let me, prob as I'm on my phoneyou will have to Google it

I said up previously it would be better to be honest. Better for us. But it wouldn't be better for the governing classes. I've already said what I would advocate. Prepare for the inevitable challenges ahead rather than seek to prevent the unpreventable. The reality is though that, be it trying to change the climate, or change to live with it, honesty about either isn't going to get you elected. I see no way that can change other than a dictatorship. Though it would help if government wasn't now firmly under the control of outside influences

You answered your own question. Nobody is going to vote for what is coming, so say nothing and continue promising the earth.

They do see it but it's not relevant to them. The purpose of government itself has been hijacked. It's not for the people any longer, it's for corporate and powerful individual advancement. And if course personal gain for those fronting it up. The faces at the top change, but behind that nothing changes.

Gross cynicism bourne of decades of experience. I'm not against change. But it needs to be for a purpose. If it's going to make me poorer, colder or whatever, let's be honest about it. Responding to climate change as is proposed will utterly destroy our way of life, our culture and future. We need to recognise that. The fairy tale future being pedaled is exactly that, a fairy tale. All I have said is the changes being discussed, especially around electricity pricing, are not going to happen. Which, despite all the evidence, that nothings happening, for some reason appears to be an unpopular view. I judge those that seek to govern us by what they do, not what they say. I've found that's worked well for me. So I'll continue in that vein.

Convincing me is easy. When i see prices drop because they have resolved the gas price link. You assert they will but offer no evidence beyond a pointless time wasting "consultation". Forgive me if i dont believe you.

I know exactly what you said. And sure prices have dropped from utterly bonkers to bonkers. But not because of decisive government action. Unfortunately, in order to avoid the elephant in the room, you are adopting classic politicians behaviour and avoiding the issue. Ill take your lack of willingness to bet on it as acceptance that the gas price artificial market issue isnt going away. The reality is we could have sensible electricity prices, with all the advantages that would bring, but through government choice, we dont.

You appear to be sidestepping the issue both myself and Dave have highlighted, ie the link with gas. The auctions for renewables isnt relevant to that. And i say again, if government were serious, they would do something about it. They are not and they wont. So, again, lets bet on it. Or is it that really, you know im right and we will still have bonkers electricity prices come 2030.

Edited to add, national grid aka Western Powers policy is, no new connections over 80 amps. 23kva is circa 93. Ive got a copy of said policy documents, and thats what it says. And thats what they are sticking too.

This is old news. When will the change take place and prices come down. I'll wait. I'll be waiting a very long time. Because it's not going to happen. To many invested interests in the status quo. Indeed happy to bet that by 2030 will still be having the same discussion. How strong is your conviction?

They won't. It's not debatable. They won't do it. The publically stated position is as you say. However, when you read the detail of the policy, there are so many get outs and exclusions, most people won't get it. It's great PR, significantly divorced from reality. Happy to take that debate offline, as it's not really for this thread.

Dave says sensible real world things.

Heat pumps and solar panels absolutely are not cost neutral for most people if they already have a house with heating and power. Suggesting otherwise is complete nonsense. If it was, literally everyone would be doing it. The actual reality is payback periods are long and uncertain, and require considerable upfront costs Let's not try to pretend otherwise.

Steady with those outbreaks if common sense. Government could sort out the false market forcing our electricity prices up tommorow. But they won't, as making mad money for chums is way more important than worrying about mere climate change. See post above.

Again, you misundestand my point. Let's assume all the research is 100% correct. Great. Chances of the world adopting the outcomes of that research. None. Never going to happen. You want people to be significantly poorer, to reduce their quality of life, for intangible benefits at some unknown point in the future at an unknown cost. Humans don't work like that. Especially when we all know, those in power will disapply any such pain from themselves. That's the real world. You might not like it, but it's how it is.