nod Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 I’ve spent the afternoon making a ramp to satify the disabled part of our sign off Ofcoutse it isn’t perminant but it should sufice Til we start the paving in the summer I’ve already had a couple of skateboard jibes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Jimbo Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Good job. That should get you a pass from building control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToughButterCup Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Got the urinal set at the right angle too. Top man! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 6 minutes ago, Big Jimbo said: Good job. That should get you a pass from building control. Best of luck if that will do it. It would not in Scotland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nod Posted March 15, 2019 Author Share Posted March 15, 2019 6 minutes ago, ProDave said: Best of luck if that will do it. It would not in Scotland. I’m not sure why Dave The remit I was give was a 1-20 slope With a level 1200 x1200 platform in front of the door All with a nonslip surface No mention of material to be used Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhome Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 13 minutes ago, ProDave said: Best of luck if that will do it. It would not in Scotland. 13 minutes ago, recoveringacademic said: Got the urinal set at the right angle too. Top man! My inspector would have needed that urinal to prevent himself from peeing his pants through laughing! As @ProDave says no way would that get signed off up here. Good luck to you if it works out though. I can't help thinking that's actually more of a trip hazard that just a step up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nod Posted March 15, 2019 Author Share Posted March 15, 2019 1 minute ago, newhome said: My inspector would have needed that urinal to prevent himself from peeing his pants through laughing! As @ProDave says no way would that get signed off up here. Good luck to you if it works out though. I can't help thinking that's actually more of a trip hazard that just a step up. Are Scottish regs so different I don’t know he might have more things to amuse himself when he’s looking round your build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue B Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 16 minutes ago, recoveringacademic said: Got the urinal set at the right angle too. Top man! Let’s face it, a ramp that long may need, for a man “of a certain age”, a little rest and a pee stop half way up. Just need a little picnic bench and my Dad would have been happy to use your ramp all day long. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhome Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Just now, nod said: Are Scottish regs so different I don’t know he might have more things to amuse himself when he’s looking round your build Different yes but mostly the same, it's just that the disabled access is one of the things they are really hot on up here. There are a ton of things he never checked here that seem a bit more important to me but that's the way of these things I guess. They all have their pet topics and up here the ramp thing is one of them. Pain in the ass to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedreamer Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 This has been in the back of my mind for a while. What do you think the chances are of this clause being applicable in my case? There is no requirement to provide access for a wheelchair user to: a house, between either the point of access to or from any car parking within the curtilage of a building and an entrance to the house where it is not reasonably practicable to do so, or I'm hopeful that suspended timber floor and disability access would result in the ramp being so long that it would not be reasonably practicable. Although a possible step solution or a small wall to bring the level up and create a gap might be another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhome Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, Thedreamer said: What do you think the chances are of this clause being applicable in my case? They are pretty strict about needing one so don't rely on being exempt. Haven't you needed to show it on the plans? I had to snake mine up and down to meet the gradient requirements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedreamer Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, newhome said: They are pretty strict about needing one so don't rely on being exempt. Haven't you needed to show it on the plans? I had to snake mine up and down to meet the gradient requirements. It's on the plan so expecting it to be required. But if you don't ask you don't get. Once I get the rendering done, painting done, scaffolding down, container can go, excavator can shift the hardcore to the back to build up the level to the limit the air bricks allow. I'll then know the size required and can work from there. @newhome what was the reason for the gradient requirement on your build? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhome Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 5 minutes ago, Thedreamer said: @newhome what was the reason for the gradient requirement on your build? As @nod says there is a maximum gradient allowed and there is a maximum ramp length too, so because of this and the rise from the pavement to the front door it meant that I needed 2 ramps connected together to make the required height. https://www2.gov.scot/resource/buildingstandards/2017Domestic/chunks/ch05s04.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 1 hour ago, nod said: Are Scottish regs so different I don’t know he might have more things to amuse himself when he’s looking round your build Scottish regs specifically exclude timber ramps that can later be removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedreamer Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 @ProDave what's your plan for dealing with the extra height resulting from a suspended timber floor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 1 minute ago, Thedreamer said: @ProDave what's your plan for dealing with the extra height resulting from a suspended timber floor? It does not pose a problem. Partly because we are on a sloping site so where the ramp has to end is higher than other outside areas. I have a plan and a design of the ramp, I just need to get around to building it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redoctober Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Yep agree with other "Scottish" contributors - we had to show a ramp and hand rail on our building plans. We had NO intention of having one installed because I knew we had sufficient space in which to gently raise the paving slabs to the height of the door which had a level access threshold fitted. The drains Inspector was the same person who would be doing the final inspection, so we were lucky enough to keep him fully informed and also show him our intentions. At the time the drains were fitted, there was no sign of the ramp and he did enquire about it. This then led onto the conversation about the paving slabs etc. See image for final result which proved to be acceptable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oz07 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 I thought it was 1:12 Fair play get a shed out that afterwards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhome Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 53 minutes ago, Oz07 said: I thought it was 1:12 With 1 : 12 the ramp can only be 2 metres long. 1 : 15 it can be 5m and 1 : 20 it can be 10m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell griffiths Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 There was a proper metal ramp with handrail for sale on flee bay i wonder if there could be a market to buy one and keep selling it on to other self builders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Harris Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 We were told that the ramp had to be a "permanent structure", and that anything that looked as if it could be easily removed wouldn't be acceptable. A friend in East Yorkshire encountered exactly the same approach from his BCO; his fabricated metal ramp, with a chequer plate top, was rejected. He ended up laying plastic sheeting down and then pouring a proper concrete ramp over his York stone steps to get his completion certificate, Needless to say he carefully broke away the concrete and cleaned up the underlying steps once he'd got his completion certificate... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue B Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Last house had a metre+ wide path down the side of house. To create our disabled entrance we left the front door completely alone - it had the normal step up entrance. We had folding sliding doors at the back of the house with a low threshold entrance. We just made the pathway down the whole side of the house a slope. Wheelchair access was therefor into the back of the house but it complied and was very useful for getting stuff in and out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nod Posted March 16, 2019 Author Share Posted March 16, 2019 Yep I here what your saying I requested a visit from BC control a few months back The chap that covers our area was on holiday A young lady visited in is place She’s now the senior BC in our area Very keen and knowledgable She went through everything with us I told her planed a concrete flagged area as a temporary measure for the disabled access She asked WHY and suggested timber As long as it is 1-20 max fixed in place and of sound construction She went on to tell me the flat level platform at the top is the biggest problem Whith many builders sloping block paving upto the door with no level 1200 x1200 area at the top I realise that I haven’t build a £750000 home to put Somthing like that at the side door BC must realise this But I’ve followed the There rules i chuckled yesterday when when I visited the dentist They have an identical ramp in cast in concrete With a handrail Weve come in under budget We have 20 k ish due back in vat My wife plans to blow the lot on paving and landscaping her garden Who knows she may grow to love my ramp and decide to just scatter gravel round it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nod Posted March 16, 2019 Author Share Posted March 16, 2019 45 minutes ago, JSHarris said: We were told that the ramp had to be a "permanent structure", and that anything that looked as if it could be easily removed wouldn't be acceptable. A friend in East Yorkshire encountered exactly the same approach from his BCO; his fabricated metal ramp, with a chequer plate top, was rejected. He ended up laying plastic sheeting down and then pouring a proper concrete ramp over his York stone steps to get his completion certificate, Needless to say he carefully broke away the concrete and cleaned up the underlying steps once he'd got his completion certificate... If that was the case I would challenge there decision I can’t see anywhere that says it needs to be concrete or any other material We will see I’m using local authority BC I found them much more diligent than private BC Most of the private BC companies are easily bullied by companies Pre plaster inspection Sbap a photo or check next door LA BC no chance We can’t even load plasterboards in till they are satisfied I i e said it before Best £700 I’ve spent on the build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nod Posted March 16, 2019 Author Share Posted March 16, 2019 10 hours ago, Thedreamer said: @ProDave what's your plan for dealing with the extra height resulting from a suspended timber floor? No plan May fix handrail if required b BC To be honest I wouldn’t use that door for disabled acces We have bifolds and French doors around the back which have great access Park your car a couple of mtrs away BUT BC wanted front or side Unassisted access Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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