Andrew Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Looks like we are going to have piled foundations with a ring beam and an insulated block and beam floor. I've been gathering quotes for the piling, which has been challenging as there doesn't seem to be any local piling contractors. The only quote I've had which wasn't clearly a 'we don't want to do this' price seemed fine for the piling (at about £220 per pile + £900 mobilisation) but the price for the ring beam was higher than expected at almost £9k. The length of the ring beam is approx. 85 linear meters and the cross-section size is 350mm by 450mm. I make that around 14 m3 of concrete which SPONS tells me should be around £150 per m3 - £2100. There's the cost of the rebar, which SPONS prices per tonne, but being really conservative with my estimates that's an extra £1.5k. Which leaves £5.5k of labour. I should also mention the quote specifically says it assumes the concrete can be poured into a neatly dug trench (prepared by others) without the need for any temporary formwork (formwork is an extra £2,210 if required). So with that in mind, I'm looking for any thoughts on whether my feeling that the ring beam quote is expensive is valid or not. I'm trying to get more quotes but it's difficult in the piling black hole of South West Cheshire. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherryfountain Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 This company has an interesting foundation system. I don’t know how far they travel. https://www.abbeypynford.co.uk/our-services/housedeck/ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Neil Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Not sure what the concrete Mix is, But i've generally used closer to £100 per cube as n indicative cost. I stand to be corrected from anyone elses real world experience of course. Again real world I would frequently have to order a couple of cube a time, and that would push £160 occasionally, but only when very last minute and with additives like Xypex (no idea how it is spealt but I think its a waterproofing agent.) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterW Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 You’ll need RC35 for a ring beam of that nature, and AI quote about £800 for 8 cubic metres to the South Cheshire area Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nod Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 2 hours ago, Andrew said: Looks like we are going to have piled foundations with a ring beam and an insulated block and beam floor. I've been gathering quotes for the piling, which has been challenging as there doesn't seem to be any local piling contractors. The only quote I've had which wasn't clearly a 'we don't want to do this' price seemed fine for the piling (at about £220 per pile + £900 mobilisation) but the price for the ring beam was higher than expected at almost £9k. The length of the ring beam is approx. 85 linear meters and the cross-section size is 350mm by 450mm. I make that around 14 m3 of concrete which SPONS tells me should be around £150 per m3 - £2100. There's the cost of the rebar, which SPONS prices per tonne, but being really conservative with my estimates that's an extra £1.5k. Which leaves £5.5k of labour. I should also mention the quote specifically says it assumes the concrete can be poured into a neatly dug trench (prepared by others) without the need for any temporary formwork (formwork is an extra £2,210 if required). So with that in mind, I'm looking for any thoughts on whether my feeling that the ring beam quote is expensive is valid or not. I'm trying to get more quotes but it's difficult in the piling black hole of South West Cheshire. Perhaps need to get several quotes You may find these vary wildly With most company’s being very busy for the foreseeable future Piices are high Just take Spons as a really rough guide Most suppliers and company’s don’t exspect to get any repeat business from you So will load your quote It May be worth sticking a deal with a concrete company for the whole job I was quote around £89 per cube But settled on £69 for the whole build 120 cube Every little bit helps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Neil Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 It's not something i'd ever looked into in a great deal of depth, but could it be worth doing a deal with a nearby house builder who are throwing up a massive estate. Just ask to speak with the project QS and if they know, like with NOD above you need 120 cube or what have you and can see a way of making that need, act as a bargaining chip for THEIR supply, could pay well for you. I used to carrot and stick a lot in the winter particularly in cumbria/lake district with stone supply for Rail bridge hits, so it might seem odd but it can work if the requirement matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted March 15, 2019 Author Share Posted March 15, 2019 Thanks for the response. I've spent the morning ringing round and have found another couple of companies to quote, so hopefully they will be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Punter Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 I doubt you will get a decent ring beam without form work. Have a look at 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell griffiths Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 I think that price @Andrew is about right mine was about 120m 450x450 I had quotes of about £12000. I did mine myself for about £7000 its very labour intensive and I had 2 quotes for the piling and they did not want to quote for the ring beam as they said it was not a good money earner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted March 15, 2019 Author Share Posted March 15, 2019 2 hours ago, Russell griffiths said: I think that price @Andrew is about right mine was about 120m 450x450 I had quotes of about £12000. I did mine myself for about £7000 its very labour intensive and I had 2 quotes for the piling and they did not want to quote for the ring beam as they said it was not a good money earner. That’s really helpful, thanks Russell. Good to know I’ve got a decent quote on the table. The variation in piling quotes is massive. Got one today for piling only which is 4x the best quote I’ve had. They clearly didn’t want to do the ground beam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomiser Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 On 15/03/2019 at 17:29, Russell griffiths said: I think that price @Andrew is about right mine was about 120m 450x450 I had quotes of about £12000. I did mine myself for about £7000 its very labour intensive and I had 2 quotes for the piling and they did not want to quote for the ring beam as they said it was not a good money earner. Russell Was that £12,000 quote including formwork or just poured in trenches? I have just had a quote at £110 per lm, but that is just pouring into trenches with no formwork. Thanks in advance, Randomiser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomiser Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 (edited) On 15/03/2019 at 09:17, Andrew said: Looks like we are going to have piled foundations with a ring beam and an insulated block and beam floor. I've been gathering quotes for the piling, which has been challenging as there doesn't seem to be any local piling contractors. The only quote I've had which wasn't clearly a 'we don't want to do this' price seemed fine for the piling (at about £220 per pile + £900 mobilisation) but the price for the ring beam was higher than expected at almost £9k. The length of the ring beam is approx. 85 linear meters and the cross-section size is 350mm by 450mm. I make that around 14 m3 of concrete which SPONS tells me should be around £150 per m3 - £2100. There's the cost of the rebar, which SPONS prices per tonne, but being really conservative with my estimates that's an extra £1.5k. Which leaves £5.5k of labour. I should also mention the quote specifically says it assumes the concrete can be poured into a neatly dug trench (prepared by others) without the need for any temporary formwork (formwork is an extra £2,210 if required). So with that in mind, I'm looking for any thoughts on whether my feeling that the ring beam quote is expensive is valid or not. I'm trying to get more quotes but it's difficult in the piling black hole of South West Cheshire. Andrew I am also looking at piling quotes at the moment. My best quote for 150mm steel case driven piles works out at about £400 per 6m deep pile, including set up cost and pre-augering the first 3m. That is close to twice your cost, so I wondered if you would mind sharing the size and depth of the piles that applies to. Thanks in advance, Randomiser. Edited March 28, 2019 by Randomiser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted March 28, 2019 Author Share Posted March 28, 2019 59 minutes ago, Randomiser said: I am also looking at piling quotes at the moment. My best quote for 150mm steel case driven piles works out at about £400 per 6m deep pile, including set up cost and pre-augering the first 3m. That is close to twice your cost, so I wondered if you would mind sharing the size and depth of the piles that applies to. That's for 220mm diameter bottom-driven steel cased cast insitu reinforced concrete piles driven to an assumed depth not exceeding 6.0 linear meters. The price was for 33 piles @ £7722 plus £900 mobilisation, so that's £261 per pile all in. I've actually since had a cheaper quote, to the same pile specification, of £130.00 per pile up to 4m with £30 per meter per pile add-on for additional required depth. Mobilisation costs are £1200 with this one, so if we needed to go down to 6m that would be £226 per pile all in. There was no mention of pre-augering in the quotes I received - don't know if that's implied or unnecessary. Our ground is definitely not firm / stiff. My structural engineer has taken it upon himself to re-engineer the entire piling layout for 150mm piles so I'll be gathering some quotes for those soon. I did find a great variety in the quotes I received, the highest being about £600 per pile. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luketrig Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 How did you get the depth for the piles I think we will need them we are on clay and there are lots of trees near by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewToAllOfThis Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 We had a few quotes and ignoring the silly ones, one was £16000, for 21 piles at 11metres was £9500 for 6 metres it would have been £7600 so the prices you got look really good. We then had 203mm x 203mm x 46kg 75 metres galvanised steels £8300, labour, fixings, machinery hire, delivery etc was £3300, probably not cheapest but very local so they were very flexible. Beam and block was the best deal, 72 metres of Beam and Block, fully fitted, took 3 people 3 hours, faster than Usain Bolt, £1600 material, £900 labour, provided by FloorSpan, brilliant company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell griffiths Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 5 hours ago, Luketrig said: How did you get the depth for the piles I think we will need them we are on clay and there are lots of trees near by. That will be decided by the structural engineer based on the soil survey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToughButterCup Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 On 15/03/2019 at 09:17, Andrew said: Looks like we are going to have piled foundations with a ring beam and an insulated block and beam floor. I've been gathering quotes for the piling, which has been challenging as there doesn't seem to be any local piling contractors. The only quote I've had which wasn't clearly a 'we don't want to do this' price seemed fine for the piling (at about £220 per pile + £900 mobilisation) but the price for the ring beam was higher than expected at almost £9k. ... The one area with more charlatans than any other on our build: piling. Looks like we're exactly the same as you. In brief, £6500 for 64 piles + detailed ground survey £2.5kish. Forgotten the exact ring beam price but roughly £6 (10 by 10 plus a few bits here and there) Have a read : Preparing for quotes Comparing prices fairly Talking to contractors about piling And here's a list of the other stuf wot I writ bout piles. ? The search section of the site is very powerful. Play with it....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olu Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 We are in the process of working on a Foundation to our house and we need Piling done. Please can anyone recommend a good piling company please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreadnaught Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 44 minutes ago, Olu said: Please can anyone recommend a good piling company please? Hi @Olu, welcome to BuildHub. What type of piles are you using? In my experience, some firms specialise. For example, the company I used only installed screw piles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canski Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 Sorry I can't help with your ground beams but I have been quoted around £43 m2 for the insulated beam and block. U value 0.12 W/m2k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Jones Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 screw piles >££> Traditional piling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olu Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 We think we need cased pilling, we will need mini piling machine due to site access Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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