BotusBuild Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 Why do Cornwall County Council planning department refuse to talk to people about submitting a planning application? And why is the information on their website so piss poor? And why are they using the sh1tty planning portal system? Am I frustrated? You bet. And having submitted an application to be told that files that were uploadable to the planning portal are not acceptable just makes it all so much friggin worse. Thank you for listening 🙂 I'm off to change files to PDF, and spend unnecessary money on a map they already have. Fvckwits! 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnMo Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 3 minutes ago, BotusBuild said: Why do Cornwall County Council planning department refuse to talk to people about submitting a planning application? And why is the information on their website so piss poor? And why are they using the sh1tty planning portal system? Am I frustrated? You bet. And having submitted an application to be told that files that were uploadable to the planning portal are not acceptable just makes it all so much friggin worse. Thank you for listening 🙂 I'm off to change files to PDF, and spend unnecessary money on a map they already have. Fvckwits! Get used to it, it called a planning system, you will get asked for worse. COVID made things worse as it gave them an excuse to communicate even less. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 Well my build was just 1 mile from the Cornish border in Devon (Torridge District Council) and I was told then it was a shame I was NOT in Cornwall as they were far better than Devon. Torridge Planners were slated by the appeal board for not abiding by their own policies and they could not overrule the Ecology report on bat protection as they were not qualified enough 🙄 (and it took four attempts to get planning). It appears these problems and delays are the new normal unfortunately. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Ambrose Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 I'm sympathetic - I even paid for an optional face-to-face meeting only to have my LPA renege, change their policy and not give me my money back. Lovely, eh. Sometimes I see it as an exercise to wear down applicants - that and the crazy slow response time. How else are you going to keep the rate of building down and preserve the wealth of the ruling classes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 Planning = P eople l ack a ny n uance n (k)nowledge i n n egogiations g eneral public You have no idea how hard that was ! 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BotusBuild Posted June 11 Author Share Posted June 11 Thank for the feedback. It helps to know I'm not alone (although I suspected as much anyway from other posts). I'd love to see how all these "vote" promised new homes are ever going to get built when this is what we are all up against. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilDamo Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 LPA’s have validation requirements. What issues are/were you having? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 Kernow is a different county. And has a lot of inbred wankers in the council. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 4 hours ago, SteamyTea said: And has a lot of inbred wankers in the council. Not only Kernow 🤷♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Ambrose Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 Part of this is ‘we’re too expensive / precious / (insert your own adjective) to deal with you as a human, talk to our computer instead’ thing that is wildly prevalent these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BotusBuild Posted June 12 Author Share Posted June 12 13 hours ago, DevilDamo said: What issues are/were you having? They want an OS based location map even thought the planning portal allow you to provide easting and northings only 1:500 scale location plan - they already have one Elevation drawings with scale bar - they have all the elevation drawing with actual proposed measurements on them Similarly scaled floor plans To be able to measure we need PDF instead of JPG files Ecology report assessment check list - not asked for on the planning portal We don't have a record on system for "your site". If they had bothered to read the extensive accompanying document I put together they would have all the information about the current build being done. I just hate that I am having to reproduce or further annotate stuff that they already have in front of them. And if I could go and physically talk to them it could be sorted in under an hour. Muppets! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorfun Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 14 hours ago, BotusBuild said: I'd love to see how all these "vote" promised new homes are ever going to get built when this is what we are all up against. backhanders? 🤷♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeSharp01 Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 14 hours ago, Pocster said: Planning = P eople l ack a ny n uance n (k)nowledge i n n egogiations g eneral public You have no idea how hard that was ! B- 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 Just now, MikeSharp01 said: B- Happy with that grade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 2 hours ago, BotusBuild said: They want an OS based location map even thought the planning portal allow you to provide easting and northings only 1:500 scale location plan - they already have one Elevation drawings with scale bar - they have all the elevation drawing with actual proposed measurements on them Similarly scaled floor plans To be able to measure we need PDF instead of JPG files Ecology report assessment check list - not asked for on the planning portal We don't have a record on system for "your site". If they had bothered to read the extensive accompanying document I put together they would have all the information about the current build being done. I just hate that I am having to reproduce or further annotate stuff that they already have in front of them. And if I could go and physically talk to them it could be sorted in under an hour. Muppets! My bco came out about a year ago to look at my staircase ( a pointless excercise ) . He said they had never received a soil sample report ! . I sent it 11 yrs ago and made sure I kept the email thread from a previous bco accepting it . Sent that to new bco - never replied ( believe they are meant to have 5 weeks to respond ? ) . Planning and bc are a joke . Record all conversations ( assume you ever get a face to face ) . Keep copies of everything as they’ll deny you did it . They are useless twats . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToughButterCup Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 17 hours ago, BotusBuild said: Why do [...] County Council planning department ... Because everyone in Local Government (and elsewhere) is being instructed to more with less. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G and J Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 Can you imagine how awful it would be to be a planning officer? Bet you get a lot of nastiness thrown at you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonshine Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 22 minutes ago, ToughButterCup said: Because everyone in Local Government (and elsewhere) is being instructed to more with less. Absolutely local authorities have been and still are bring gutted. Funding has gone and they don't have the resources Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjc55 Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 I have some experience in this arena, for about 10 years or so I worked drawing plans for extensions etc in the Wiltshire council area. I am retired now, the pandemic basically put an end to my work in that arena. Therefore my experiences could be out of date a tad. I might add, however, that I did do a couple of planning jobs late last year into this as a favour to an acquaintance back in Wiltshire. Both, I thought, would have issues getting through the planning process but both went through relatively easily. So my take on the original post! Scale bars and pdf - I understand completely the LA view, why is it even an issue to the OP? OS based location map instead of Eastings and Northings - again seems perfectly fine to me. There is usually/always guidance as to what is expected in a planning application, was this not the case for the OP? It strikes me that the other issues are fairly minor, and anyone who does this for a living would not really baulk at the response from the LA. Having said all that, there were certain members of the planning team that I always prayed that I wouldn't get for one of my jobs. I knew that if they were the officer assigned to the job it would not be that straightforward. I had one job that was accepted and rejected four times in one week. I put that down to being overworked as she was a fairly senior planning officer. Didn't make it any easier to sort out but I sort of understood. At the end of the day, it isn't a job that I would hanker after tbh, but there you go, someone has to do it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BotusBuild Posted June 13 Author Share Posted June 13 @mjc55, thank you for your observations, and I accept your comments. To be clear, the advice and guidance on the Cornwall website is very poor. You go round in circles trying to find a webpage that contains all you need to know about what you need to submit, and in what format. Believe me, if I had known it all had to be in PDF, I would have done so. Re-directing you to the planning portal, which itself is better, but still does not restrict what you can submit (it allowed me to upload the JPG files). When I called to get some help, the ONLY way I could get it was to fork out nearly £300 for the privilege of talking to someone. I'm just trying to keep costs down, but I feel that I HAVE to use an architect to draw me some pictures. FYI - the elevation drawing and floor plans that I provided are all dimensioned, so no need for them use a scale and measure it themselves. All the information is there. This is why I am annoyed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassanclan Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 You may have drawn diagrams, with measurements, but if they are not to scale then they could give a misrepresentation of what the building looks like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BotusBuild Posted June 13 Author Share Posted June 13 6 hours ago, bassanclan said: but if they are not to scale I can confirm that they are to scale, but you'll have to take my word for that I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassanclan Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 Assuming your drawings are by hand, when they are digitised the scaling could be altered which is why they want a scale bar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Ambrose Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 All LPAs have a bunch of ‘validation rules’ as does the appeal body (as do some utilities companies). Some LPAs document them well, sometimes they’ll have rules that they don’t bother to tell you about. I get the impression that ‘validation’ is left to a junior, there is no common sense applied, they just run through the rules as automatons. If it says you need a road name, you need a road name. If it says you need a North indication, you need a North indicator. If it says you need a scale bar, you need a scale bar. Etc, etc, etc, etc. Sometimes the rules don’t make any sense and sometimes, some of their regular architects seem to be able to evade the rules. Sometimes the rules apply to one person or application (e.g. heritage impact statement) sometimes they don’t (even for the same plot). By and large it’s just easier to play along. Sometimes when they’re being dumb and annoying, I send them the answer back perfectly politely but with the ‘missing item’ (that actually wasn’t missing) with a big arrow and 24pt bold red text. They probably don’t get the sarcasm, or maybe they do and they don’t care. What’s that phrase - choose your battles? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottishjohn Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 thats what your MP is for -get him to tlak to them thats what i had to do to get things moving and even then it was slow for a simple refurbishment of an exsisting building 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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