Thedreamer Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 A proportion of our house will be clad in timber. Has any body clad their property in oak? Is this significantly more expensive than Larch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanR Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Yes, I'm half clad in Oak (other half Sapele). For European Oak, fresh-sawn feather edge 27 x 175 (2.5m - 3.5m lengths), I paid £2.48 per linear m delivered on a 1,500m order. I thought the price was very competitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterW Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Untreated Larch should be in at the £1.30-£1.50 a metre or £14 a cubic foot. Oak will be around £2.30 so £20 a cubic foot for 6” feather edge board. It depends on what you want to achieve - larch is limited on size to about 8” board and then goes up in price, oak can be had up to 12” with a waney edge for a similar price. Machining for T&G or shiplap will add 50% to the price normally - again, depends on the look you are looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crofter Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Just FYI, I used 100x20mm larch. Cost 75p/m inc VAT direct from Novaar sawmill on the Black Isle- although that was about a year ago. What cladding profile are you going for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 15 minutes ago, Crofter said: Just FYI, I used 100x20mm larch. Cost 75p/m inc VAT direct from Novaar sawmill on the Black Isle- although that was about a year ago. What cladding profile are you going for? Oh that's good to know. they are my local sawmill, about 5 miles away. But not on the Black Isle, wrong side of the Cromarty Firth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crofter Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 30 minutes ago, ProDave said: Oh that's good to know. they are my local sawmill, about 5 miles away. But not on the Black Isle, wrong side of the Cromarty Firth. Haha yes good spot, I got confused because my other timber-themed road trip was to a Black Isle sawmill for massive Douglas Fir beams. I did all these trips with a trailer made out of an old caravan which cost less to buy than a day's hire of a flatbed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedreamer Posted October 10, 2017 Author Share Posted October 10, 2017 15 hours ago, Crofter said: Just FYI, I used 100x20mm larch. Cost 75p/m inc VAT direct from Novaar sawmill on the Black Isle- although that was about a year ago. What cladding profile are you going for? Not really sure at this stage, need to do some more research. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Harris Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 We used locally sourced (as in from a saw mill 3 miles away, and trees grown 6 miles away) waney edge larch. Nice wide boards, generally between 200 and 300mm wide, some wider, and 20mm thick. The price was roughly half that of oak, and there was no requirement to use stainless steel fasteners, as there would be with oak, galvanised nails were fine. Additionally, the larch didn't need pre-drilling for nails, where often oak does, especially near the edges. All told, larch was probably around 1/3rd the installed cost of oak, with an estimated life of at least 50 years, the first 20 years without treatment, then clear preservative applied every ten years after that. There are larch clad barns around here that are well over 100 years old, have never been treated, and are generally in good condition. Where there are problems it's inevitably only the lower couple of boards, from rain and mud splash back, I suspect. The chap at the saw mill was helpful, and reckoned larch was very under rated as cladding, as in his experience it was almost as durable as oak, easier to fix, less liable to move around in the first few years after fixing and half the price of oak. He would have happily source oak for me, but felt I'd be wasting money by using it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crofter Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 @JSHarris Have you had any black streaks from the galv nails? From my research I concluded that it was best to use stainless. I used a coil nailer and was lucky to source 70mm nails off eBay at a very good price- I actually had to pay more for the 45mm ones that I needed elsewhere. A friend of mine had an extension clad in larch using galv nails, and almost every one has left a little black mark about an inch long. Possibly where the zinc was chipped off the nail head by the firing pin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Harris Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 1 hour ago, Crofter said: @JSHarris Have you had any black streaks from the galv nails? From my research I concluded that it was best to use stainless. I used a coil nailer and was lucky to source 70mm nails off eBay at a very good price- I actually had to pay more for the 45mm ones that I needed elsewhere. A friend of mine had an extension clad in larch using galv nails, and almost every one has left a little black mark about an inch long. Possibly where the zinc was chipped off the nail head by the firing pin. No, none at all. I used ordinary galvanised gun nails and none have left any marks. The cladding has been on for three years now, and been exposed to a fair bit of wet weather on the West gable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragg987 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 On black streaks, it might depend on the wood, some have more aggressive oils or tannins as I understand it. We have Canadian Western Cedar cladding and did not use stainless nails, it showed streaking within a few months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temp Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Have done an outbuilding in oak. I've been treating it intermittently with Ronseal General purpose wood preserver (light brown) applied using a Hoselock plant sprayer intended for water. The sprayer only survives one or two coats but it's only slightly more expensive than a paintbrush and way faster with fewer drips. The windows are also oak and I just spray over them glass and all then clean off the glass with spirit. I went for stainless steel nails but regret using plain heads. You want textured heads to prevent/reduce reflections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 We were told to use stainless mails on our larch cladding, or face a high likelihood of staining. The supplier insisted on this even though we weren't buying the fixings from them. Might it make a difference whether local or Siberian larch is used? We had the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToughButterCup Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 I am fairly sure the only difference is in the resin levels. Larch is described as 'lively here. And its resin clogs up chain saws better than your grandma's knickers. ASk me how I know.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 It also has a high silica content, I believe, meaning it blunts tools pretty effectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Harris Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 1 hour ago, jack said: It also has a high silica content, I believe, meaning it blunts tools pretty effectively. I think you're right, as I remember the old chap at the sawmill telling me they didn't much like milling larch, because it wore the blades out pretty quickly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eandg Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 Any more recent examples of pricing for larch? Cheapest I've found from 4 quotes is £2.46 per linear metre for 22*150mm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelvin Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 (edited) About the same from a local timber yard. That price has been stable since last June. Edited February 10, 2023 by Kelvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eandg Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 On 10/02/2023 at 17:54, Kelvin said: About the same from a local timber yard. That price has been stable since last June. Thanks - Jewsons are working out £3.44 and they're the next cheapest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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