Vaillant ashp (my battle with).

[zoothorn]

1 hour ago, JohnMo said:

That bloke down the pub, now I understand. At least it's all straight now.

No.

 

By whoever did the structure calculations. As I keep saying but evidently falls on deaf ears.

 

The pro chaps with his clipboard, after zipping round Zoot Acres doing his sums, refused to green light the install. 
 

I begged. Because my cylinder was a rusty mouse-ridden clapped out affair, & the install would offer me a new one. How am I meant -not- to beg him?
 

Zoot

[zoothorn]

1 hour ago, JohnMo said:

Or just switch off the ASHP and do nothing. He seems to want a cold house. This threads being going on for 2.5 years and nothing changes. He had a cold house then, and still does.

Hang on.

 

Thread title JohnMo, is Battle with Vaillant. My battle lasted 5 years. I needed & the intention of the thread was to

 

A) warn prospective folks of this Co's fairly hapless hardware (new one, 3 weeks & a fault- say no more)

 

B) perhaps glean some BH support &/ or advice, by dipping in halfway through the battle at 2.5 years: it's taken a year off my life in stress.

And everyone now sticks up for Vaillant's hardware, rarely for me. All I did, picking up the thread recently a year later, was 1) to inform folks of winning my David-Goliath struggle, & then 2) to say incredulously that Ive already had a fault in 3 weeks of the new one.

 

Ok? Thanks, Zoot

 

 

[ProDave]

37 minutes ago, zoothorn said:

Because that will struggle too. And Ive just had this installed!

Oh no it won't.........

 

If you really don't believe a 30kW oil boiler would succeed in heating your house then there is no hope whatsoever for getting your house warm because you won't try anything.

[-rick-]

@zoothorn

 

I think I was the one who saw you saying you were still cold and suggested you try again at making changes to things so you could get warm. I know you didn't come back here asking for that, but since you have a new system it does seem worth trying.

 

I agree with @Nickfromwales that this thread could do with a timeout until after the engineer visit.

 

We are all trying to help. I know some of the suggestions seem wrong to you. The go against your experience. All I can say is that people aren't making these things up, they are the result of real-life experience in their own and friends homes. We are passing on what has worked for us and many others.

 

Once the engineer has visited then you have a choice, you can come back here and work with us to try new things (even things that seem wrong to you) to see if it works, or you can not.

 

As a group I think we all think its possible for you to be much more comfortable than you are now (not perfect, but better). To be clear though, it will cost you more in bills. If you can't stand any higher bills (at least double what you pay now) then that puts a blocker on things.

[zoothorn]

9 minutes ago, -rick- said:

@zoothorn

 

I think I was the one who saw you saying you were still cold and suggested you try again at making changes to things so you could get warm. I know you didn't come back here asking for that, but since you have a new system it does seem worth trying.

 

I agree with @Nickfromwales that this thread could do with a timeout until after the engineer visit.

 

We are all trying to help. I know some of the suggestions seem wrong to you. The go against your experience. All I can say is that people aren't making these things up, they are the result of real-life experience in their own and friends homes. We are passing on what has worked for us and many others.

 

Once the engineer has visited then you have a choice, you can come back here and work with us to try new things (even things that seem wrong to you) to see if it works, or you can not.

 

As a group I think we all think its possible for you to be much more comfortable than you are now (not perfect, but better). To be clear though, it will cost you more in bills. If you can't stand any higher bills (at least double what you pay now) then that puts a blocker on things.

Absolutely agree Rick.

 

I do appreciate what folks are saying, & once visit happens (tbh surely a quick fix- chap should have time for Q's) I can put his suggestions up/ see what he thinks of your 'list reply I've bookmarked.

 

Whether I'll understand him though, is often the problem for me. I'll do my best though.

 

Firstly see if I can persuade him to put controller/ thermostat, well away from near to cylinder as it is now. If not, ask him how I'd do it myself. That'll be a start, even if I'm thinking of convenience to get at it, rather than your pov which is to move it chiefly to put it in a cold room. 
 

Thanks fir the help chaps, it's all welcome even if loggerheads  arise. Zoot

 

 

[-rick-]

11 minutes ago, zoothorn said:

Firstly see if I can persuade him to put controller/ thermostat, well away from near to cylinder as it is now. If not, ask him how I'd do it myself. That'll be a start, even if I'm thinking of convenience to get at it, rather than your pov which is to move it chiefly to put it in a cold room. 

 

The important thing is the thermostat is moved into the cold, old, part of the building, not close a raditor or other heat source. It doesn't strictly have to be the coldest room as long as its generally cold in the area.

 

Putting it in the hallway or the bottom of the stairs is common.

 

If you moved it into your warm bedroom/warm workshop that would be bad and might make things worse.

Edited 1 hour ago by -rick-

[ProDave]

Another issue with heat pumps, is the supplied controller often comes with a pre made cable to connect it and that is not always very long.  Mine would not reach to where I ultimately would have liked it, so is in my plant room / workshop.  That is another reason why I don't use the timer or thermostat built into the ASHP controller and instead configured it to use external controls.

 

So just "move your thermostat" might not be a trivial exercise.

[-rick-]

11 minutes ago, ProDave said:

So just "move your thermostat" might not be a trivial exercise.

 

@Nickfromwales's suggestion of just wiring in an external wireless one is the easy solution to that. TBH I think that's likely the better option in anycase. But doesn't seem like something that will be ready for Monday.