Conor Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 I mentioned to my architect the other day that I intended on bending and cutting the rebar for the passive raft slab and ICF walls myself.... Thought I was mad! How easy/difficult is it? And would this kind of tool be any use? https://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bending-Tool-Rebar-Bender-Round-Bar-GR-1-to-GR-6-all-types-in-one-listing/223373163843? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToughButterCup Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Ooooooffff! ? Get a Wire Crew to do it. Made my eyes water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpmiller Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 https://www.walter-watson.co.uk/reinforcement/overview.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan52 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 I used to weld for these guys. Done plenty of this type of work when I was there. https://www.rom.co.uk/contact-us/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vijay Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 I just ordered all my rebar and the guy told me bending bars made no difference to the price. They do it all by weight, so I assume the machine (I've seen one in operation only once) does all the cutting and bending in one go. So worth checking with your supplier before you buy that and kill yourself for nothing lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 @Conor I'm doing this atm. Everyone thinks your mad when you do things yourself. Just a bunch of rich kids IMHO. It all depends how cheap you get the rebar =if you buy this for full steel stockholders price, they might even include bending as theres a fat healthy profit included in the price. I buy my rebar from scrapyard. Makes a massive difference but they obviously won't bend it for you. I m happy to take a day or two bending and wiring rebar for the sake of 1000£+x. A few here might disagree as they're on architects wages and rather work an hour to earn that kind of money than do some actual work ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell griffiths Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Patrick said: @Conor I'm doing this atm. Everyone thinks your mad when you do things yourself. Just a bunch of rich kids IMHO. It all depends how cheap you get the rebar =if you buy this for full steel stockholders price, they might even include bending as theres a fat healthy profit included in the price. I buy my rebar from scrapyard. Makes a massive difference but they obviously won't bend it for you. I m happy to take a day or two bending and wiring rebar for the sake of 1000£+x. A few here might disagree as they're on architects wages and rather work an hour to earn that kind of money than do some actual work ? I would disagree with this, you said the other day you thought you could bend 60 links in a day, ok cool but at a £1 a link is your day only worth £60 to you. Mimimum wage is more than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell griffiths Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 I had mine all bent and cut and fabricated into cages, I could not believe how cheap it was. I had allowed £3-4 grand for steel and it came in at about £1500. It all depends on how precious your time schedule is, I think to have bent all mine up would have been at least an extra 20 days work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeSharp01 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 I did all mine, 12mm, with a manual pipe bender and a new 120mm former. Not a problem to bend or to cut with long handle cutters and or the grinderette. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 ✌️ 11 minutes ago, Russell griffiths said: I would disagree with this, you said the other day you thought you could bend 60 links in a day, ok cool but at a £1 a link is your day only worth £60 to you. Mimimum wage is more than that. You're right. But that's not how the calculation goes. Cause I calculate the full package what the final cages cost me vs. Buying them ready made or at least stirrups plus rebar. The full package is 1500£, the stirrups+rebar is approx 1200£, my rebar so far is 200£all in and I need another day or two to bend the stirrups. I know we never gonna agree on this one ✌️ Not to worry. I just wanted to mention that there is another method than buying rebar ready made. All versions work afaic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gc100 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Timely topic as I'm doing mine now. I got all my rebar cut and bent for about £580. There is no way in a million years I'd want to bend it myself. There are about 850 rings, then all the long lengths. Whats taking me forever is wiring it up - about 4-5 days so far. Now off to do some more now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell griffiths Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Wow those links are close together @gc100 whats the spacing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Walker Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Russell griffiths said: Wow those links are close together @gc100 whats the spacing? That doesn't look like right to me either...and they don't look evenly spaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gc100 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 (edited) On 14/12/2019 at 10:16, Adrian Walker said: That doesn't look like right to me either...and they don't look evenly spaced. 80mm . The don’t look right because each ring has 2 bars on one side of it, so depending which was you put it on sometimes you get one sometimes two, plus none are exactly the correct size/bend so once fixed to one side in the other side it’s impossible to get them vertically straight. Total pain. Essentially each ring is actually a spiral , you can see better here Edited December 15, 2019 by gc100 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Just started with a few testers. Have to take back all my previous statements and apologise to @Russell griffiths It would have been much easier ordering the pre welded cages as an unexperienced rebar tying labourer. The bending of the stirrups wasn't even that much trouble.(I did approx 40-50/hour) But tying is. But here we go, you learn. Just putting this out here for others in similar situation to maybe listen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell griffiths Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 No need to apologise, we all have our own opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redtop Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 we had the cages built for the pile caps, they put a quick spot of weld on each point; apparently quicker than tying if you have the kit? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan52 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 hour ago, redtop said: we had the cages built for the pile caps, they put a quick spot of weld on each point; apparently quicker than tying if you have the kit? That's how I did it when I used to work for a company doing this. The long bars across 2 trestles. Using chalk measure out the required distance between each ring. Slide the rings on and then just go along and tap tap tap away. Slide the 2 bottom bars in through the rings and put a spot on each end to hold in place then flip over and tap away till there all welded up. You could do a 6m length cage in 10 mins once you got the hang of it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam2 Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 On 13/12/2019 at 15:49, Vijay said: I just ordered all my rebar I'm getting quotes in for rebar and looking at £530/t - mind sharing what you managed to get yours for? I tried 3 places and ranged 530 (bent and delivered) to 600. Would be good to know if worth shopping around a bit more. cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vijay Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 46 minutes ago, Adam2 said: I'm getting quotes in for rebar and looking at £530/t - mind sharing what you managed to get yours for? I tried 3 places and ranged 530 (bent and delivered) to 600. Would be good to know if worth shopping around a bit more. cheers what diameter? Have you tried Hy-ten for a quote? They were the cheapest for me, guys name was David and his number is 0208-940 7578 ext 205 d.newman@hy-ten.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell griffiths Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 52 minutes ago, Adam2 said: I'm getting quotes in for rebar and looking at £530/t - mind sharing what you managed to get yours for? I tried 3 places and ranged 530 (bent and delivered) to 600. Would be good to know if worth shopping around a bit more. cheers Have you considered bent and fabricated i paid £740 tonne but that was fully fabricated, only had to tie corners on site, saved hours and hours of work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam2 Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 Yes included Hy-ten - decent prices. Will look at the fabricated option - cheers for that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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