Pocster Posted February 25, 2020 Author Share Posted February 25, 2020 I think it’ll go ! Am I correct on the underside I just glue a 3” ( or whatever the geberit pipe size is ) onto it vertically -that’s it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 (edited) 42 minutes ago, pocster said: I think it’ll go ! Am I correct on the underside I just glue a 3” ( or whatever the geberit pipe size is ) onto it vertically -that’s it ? Erm... that black elbow isn't glueable type pvc (I don't think). It's HDPE. The elbow goes into an adapter that comes with the Geberit then that push fits into a 110mm female. The 3 black fittings are all Geberit: Edited February 25, 2020 by Onoff 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 (edited) Maybe these if you need to extend the pipe without making the slab/beam hole too much bigger: Geberit 366.887.16.1 Hdpe Straight Connector £21.48 Tax included Geberit 366.887.16.1 HDPE Straight Connector 90mm - 90mm Ring seal socket Or Geberit 367.887.16.1 Hdpe Straight Connector £21.48 Tax included Geberit 367.887.16.1 HDPE Straight Connector 90mm - 110mm Ring seal socket As used with Geberit WC frames Edited February 25, 2020 by Onoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted February 25, 2020 Author Share Posted February 25, 2020 37 minutes ago, Onoff said: Maybe these if you need to extend the pipe without making the slab/beam hole too much bigger: Geberit 366.887.16.1 Hdpe Straight Connector £21.48 Tax included Geberit 366.887.16.1 HDPE Straight Connector 90mm - 90mm Ring seal socket Or Geberit 367.887.16.1 Hdpe Straight Connector £21.48 Tax included Geberit 367.887.16.1 HDPE Straight Connector 90mm - 110mm Ring seal socket As used with Geberit WC frames Mega helpful ! I was deliberately being thick ! ? I’ll check the parts in the kit tomorrow. I just grabbed the elbow because it looked right . Will report back soon ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 12 minutes ago, pocster said: Mega helpful ! I was deliberately being thick ! ? I’ll check the parts in the kit tomorrow. I just grabbed the elbow because it looked right . Will report back soon ! Isn't the elbow in your pics the one that came with the frame? Certainly something similar has come with the 3 frames I've bought: All with the kit: In the end and I can't remember why, I went with a 90F/110M elbow @PeterStarck kindly gave me: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted February 25, 2020 Author Share Posted February 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, Onoff said: Isn't the elbow in your pics the one that came with the frame? Certainly something similar has come with the 3 frames I've bought: All with the kit: In the end and I can't remember why, I went with a 90F/110M elbow @PeterStarck kindly gave me: Quite possibly! As many have stated my site is not the best organised or cleaned ! Will dig out them bits tomorrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted February 26, 2020 Author Share Posted February 26, 2020 (edited) I do indeed ! So need to extend my vertical with one of those you link to . 90 degree tee then push fitted on that ( below ceiling ) @Onoff you may not know the answer but assuming I run the brown ( standard ) soil pipe fitting to my main ceiling suspended drain - do I use all push fittings ? What about shower / bath waste ? Assume that was all the glued white plastic . Does that need a glued boss strap on the main drain ? Or everything into the main ceiling drain all push fit ? Edited February 26, 2020 by pocster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 15 minutes ago, pocster said: I do indeed ! So need to extend my vertical with one of those you link to . 90 degree tee then push fitted on that ( below ceiling ) @Onoff you may not know the answer but assuming I run the brown ( standard ) soil pipe fitting to my main ceiling suspended drain - do I use all push fittings ? What about shower / bath waste ? Assume that was all the glued white plastic . Does that need a glued boss strap on the main drain ? Or everything into the main ceiling drain all push fit ? Brown is for underground really. I'd use black or grey solvent weld 110mm. I made a mistake fitting brown pipe into the grey solvent fitting in the pics above. Ended up using gap filling solvent cement at the join. What glued white plastic? All my waste from bath, basin, shower is black solvent weld. I'd go solvent weld boss onto the side of the 110mm for wastes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted February 26, 2020 Author Share Posted February 26, 2020 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Onoff said: Brown is for underground really. I'd use black or grey solvent weld 110mm. I made a mistake fitting brown pipe into the grey solvent fitting in the pics above. Ended up using gap filling solvent cement at the join. What glued white plastic? All my waste from bath, basin, shower is black solvent weld. I'd go solvent weld boss onto the side of the 110mm for wastes. Ok - will use black or grey . All the shower / bath etc . Wastes I see are always white . I’m sure a plumber will be along soon to educate us ... like this https://www.toolstation.com/solvent-weld-tee/p36237?utm_source=googleshopping&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=googleshoppingfeed&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIh_7R-6Pv5wIVBLTtCh00GA3iEAQYGiABEgLJD_D_BwE pretty sure I’ve glue welded with this stuff . All I really remember is it dries fast - like fast , fast . Like glue two bits together , adjust to suit , 10 seconds later realise it’s wrong . Too late - welded tight !! Edited February 26, 2020 by pocster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 Bath waste here is 50mm solvent. I've an accessible flexi waste from the trap onto solvent waste: The bath waste is 50mm solvent weld in the slab. There's a T coming up and the basin goes into that in 32mm solvent via a reducer. Anti siphon trap on the basin so the bath emptying doesn't make ths basin trap gurgle. Shower / wall drain waste goes from the mdpe waste on the Geberit wall drain to 50mm solvent via a compression coupler. Deep shit if that ever leaks! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted February 26, 2020 Author Share Posted February 26, 2020 12 minutes ago, Onoff said: Bath waste here is 50mm solvent. I've an accessible flexi waste from the trap onto solvent waste: The bath waste is 50mm solvent weld in the slab. There's a T coming up and the basin goes into that in 32mm solvent via a reducer. Anti siphon trap on the basin so the bath emptying doesn't make ths basin trap gurgle. Shower / wall drain waste goes from the mdpe waste on the Geberit wall drain to 50mm solvent via a compression coupler. Deep shit if that ever leaks! So ; do you just make up the fittings anyway that suits ? - not being rude of course ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted February 26, 2020 Author Share Posted February 26, 2020 Shower concrete block support Probably put an extra block across the middle for support once I know where the shower waste is going Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, pocster said: So ; do you just make up the fittings anyway that suits ? - not being rude of course ? No offence taken, you know me! What do you mean? Everything was pretty well considered tbh and done for a reason. As @ProDave will attest to, "50mm" doesn't necessarily mean the same thing with all makes of fitting especially on eBay. Mixing solvent weld and compression can be a mare. The Geberit wall drain waste was some weird, nominally 50mm bit of mdpe then the black solvent weld a bit different size wise. The 50mm can be inside diameter or outside. Got all my waste from the local Plumb Centre: https://www.wolseley.co.uk I didn't move without @Nickfromwalessay so! Edited February 26, 2020 by Onoff 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted February 26, 2020 Author Share Posted February 26, 2020 2 hours ago, Onoff said: No offence taken, you know me! What do you mean? Everything was pretty well considered tbh and done for a reason. As @ProDave will attest to, "50mm" doesn't necessarily mean the same thing with all makes of fitting especially on eBay. Mixing solvent weld and compression can be a mare. The Geberit wall drain waste was some weird, nominally 50mm bit of mdpe then the black solvent weld a bit different size wise. The 50mm can be inside diameter or outside. Got all my waste from the local Plumb Centre: https://www.wolseley.co.uk I didn't move without @Nickfromwalessay so! Then I may need the magic Welsh stud to assist me ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 The Wolseley, black, solvent weld: 36mm OD - (1 1/4" ID) 43mm OD - (1 1/2" ID) 56mm OD - (2" ID) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted February 27, 2020 Author Share Posted February 27, 2020 Put the cistern in place . Funny really I built a double stud wall to ‘relieve’ noise from the bathroom . Now I’ve moved the geberit into the wall there’s no sound insulation behind it !! Time to sort out how the water feed to cistern is done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted February 27, 2020 Author Share Posted February 27, 2020 Think this seems ok for the feed . Just need to work out what Hep2o fittings goes to this thread ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted February 27, 2020 Author Share Posted February 27, 2020 Bum . Cistern cold feed not quite long enough !!! Because I moved WC ? . Don’t want a join - but I think have no choice !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamSee Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 I've fitted 3 of these frames now and each time I've use the Hep2o bent tap connectors. 1/2" BSP I think. Got a small rubber washer inside so theres no need for tape. Last one I did was not a wall hung toilet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted February 27, 2020 Author Share Posted February 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, AdamSee said: I've fitted 3 of these frames now and each time I've use the Hep2o bent tap connectors. 1/2" BSP I think. Got a small rubber washer inside so theres no need for tape. Last one I did was not a wall hung toilet. Ah yes ! Thanks . I think that’s what I need . Just maybe my hep20 pipe is long enough . ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 Used one of these, a 500mm B&Q flexi. In the words of he who must be obeyed. "A bit more than hand tight is usually ample. Say 1/2 turn or so". It's easily accessible through the back of the (still unfinished ? ) cupboard: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted February 27, 2020 Author Share Posted February 27, 2020 29 minutes ago, Onoff said: Used one of these, a 500mm B&Q flexi. In the words of he who must be obeyed. "A bit more than hand tight is usually ample. Say 1/2 turn or so". It's easily accessible through the back of the (still unfinished ? ) cupboard: Hmmmm, mine will never be accessible! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted February 28, 2020 Author Share Posted February 28, 2020 19 hours ago, AdamSee said: I've fitted 3 of these frames now and each time I've use the Hep2o bent tap connectors. 1/2" BSP I think. Got a small rubber washer inside so theres no need for tape. Last one I did was not a wall hung toilet. Does it matter my inlet via that Hep2o elbow will never been accessible?? I assume from your photo that particular one will be ....but mine ....... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted February 28, 2020 Author Share Posted February 28, 2020 Hole for ensuite waste . Mock up of what I intend . JTM plumbing ( no I don’ t work for them ! Used them before ! ) , are brilliant ! Explain my dumbness - tell them what I am trying to achieve and they send me a parts list - top service !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamSee Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 Yes I can access it from the front by pulling off the panel. Previously I've plaster boarded the framework up. But you could easily cut through it to fix it. Just how inaccessible will yours be? I would guess that the worst case would be tiles on cement board in front of it. I always try to make things accessible, but in reality its not always possible. Second best option would be to be able to see it via a endoscope/camera. I've yet to have a leak from a hep2o, I would be more worried about having a brass connector in there. This is my shower setup. consisting of several compression fittings on to hep2o pipe and 4no. 3/4" to 1/2" bsp reducers. This is 100% inaccessible or visible. I do wonder a lot of the time as to whether its dripping away behind there or something. All I can do it try to take comfort in the fact that I left it pressurised for 24h without a sign of leaking. But at the end of the day, if it does leak, I have the ability to fix it and finally get rid of the bloody P-Bath. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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