Barney12

OK, so the short answer to your question is; I don't have any drainage! I'm wondering if your sliders are a different design/specification as the more I look at mine I just cant see why any drainage is required. Unlike the patio doors (and windows) which open inwards there isn't the opportunity for water to get past the external seals and into the void/gap before the next set of seals. Here are some photo's: You can see in the above image that my internal floor is flush with the cill/frame. Here's the outside. The patio slabs will sit flush with bottom of the silver threshold you can just see to the right. In between the two will be a micro slot drainage system just so any water that does head in that direction is diverted away. Although not required I've also specified free draining gravel around the entire perimeter of the house. This is a view under that black rubber skirt (which is simply a strip bonded on with silicone, fairly pants design really!). The slider is sat bridged between the concrete slab and the EPS. The red membrane you can see is our radon barrier.

Ah OK, got you. I was thrown by the reference to transoms and mullions. I’m familiar with the threshold drainage you refer to (it’s the same on the flush fit patio doors). I’ll take a look at mine. MBC actaully mis-interpreted the slab detail for my slider. I spotted it after the slab poor so MBC had to cut and grind the correct recess, it took a poor MBC employee all day! It was their error as they hadn’t read the technical drawings correctly. If I hadn’t have spotted it then I’d be in the same situation as you. ill be back with photos......

Hi Lizzie ive just had a look at mine and I can’t see any drainage slots/holes/channels. As far as I can see the design is such that once “dropped” they provide a complete weather tight seal. Perhaps though im missing something. Send me some pictures of the slot referenced in your exert and I’ll look again. If it’s any consolation it’s taken multiple visits by the installer to fix my various leaking Internorm patio doors (I have 6 sets). Ironically the only one that hasn’t leaked is the slider

Oh feck. Rumbled!

Guess!!!?? ....... Clue......? Three words; First P, last B. U know the middle one! ?

Excellent, got it thanks. Sometimes you need a visual Especially on a Sunday!!

Have you got a photo. I can't get that straight in my mind.

Ta! Ordered.

I need to do this! Have you got a part number or link to the neon you used?

The Apollo GEM works just fine in its "variable" and "threshold" modes and will charge the sunamp perfectly well. The only drawback (and it would be the same with other diverters) is the fact that you can't use any form of low temperature override as the sunamps don't have anyway of outputting the current temperature (either flow or stored). So imagine the scenario: You have your solar diverter set to variable (I.e. it will only send excess generation to the sunamps) Due to high demand (for DHW or UFH or both) the Sunamp(s) become depleted. However your solar generation is nigh on nil (Cloudy day) so no way they can get out of their "defrost" mode. The GEM can overcome this problem with a simple temp sensor. In a "normal" scenario this reads the tank temp and when it drops to a pre-determined level it kicks in the override and pulls grid electric. The solution is pretty simple but not very intelligent; If you think you're going to have high demand then hit the boost button! My setup is further complicated by the fact that I've got two Sunamps (9kw) and the Apollo and one 16amp circuit is feeding both of them. Something it does by either load sharing or going "1 to 2" or "2 to 1". Again I can solve this problem by presenting two 16amp feeds (hence my other thread). In this scenario you need to use contactors of the GEM channels (the unit has three channels/outputs) to protect the units outputs. I'm wondering if the above could be achieved by putting a temp sensor on the flow pipework? It certainly drops back considerably once the units start to discharge. My other frustration is I'd like to be able to tell my GEM to "boost" linked to my other heating controls. I wont get complicated on this thread but my UFH controls (valves, pumps etc) are controlled from my c-bus relays. I cant help think that there must be a way to use a volt free relay to make the GEM believe it needs to boost. But I'm no electronics expert. One thought I did have was effectively feeding the Sunamps with two 16amp supplies each. One from the GEM diverter and one from my c-bus relays (via contactors). Thus the GEM could just "do its thing" and then if I wanted to boost I could switch on the other supply. I can't really see a reason why this would cause a problem to the Sunamp controller but perhaps @JSHarris has a view? I have to say the GEM is seriously powerful and is probably the most flexible solution I've come across. Its only in the last few days I've started getting my head around its capabilities. Oh and to keep the thread exciting how about a picture

So it looks like I’m going to need to get two 16amp immersion’s circuits into the plant room. Currently it’s just one fed from a 2.5mm radial on its own 20amp RCBO. The cable run is pretty short only about 4m. I don’t have any spare RCBO spaces in the consumer unit so Im thinking a few possible options: 1. Make the circuit a ring and upgrade the RCBO to 32amp 2. Upgrade the cable to 4mm and keep it as a radial with a 32amp RCBO 3. Upgrade the cable to a 4mm ring with a 40amp RCBO I think technically the RCBO needs to be 40amp as the circuit would have two 20amp double pole switch. Thoughts?

Getting back to @Nickfromwales question. Taking a slightly different tack...... im always quite interested in this “what’s the next 20 years” type question. Are there any stats that show how long the average self builder stays in the house they’ve built? If the answer is (say) 10 years then the original question becomes a little achedemic? Or at least half as important!!

Is that the royal we?

Without doubt one of the best films of the 80’s

Thats the interior of EVERY one of their resteraunts in the UK!

Thats crazy, I know it’s a variable thing (size, number of units etc) but my Liecht kitchen was nothing close to that.

OMG ....Time to lock away your wife/girlfriend/lover. It’s Kevin the fertility god. Have you noticed that whenever he’s arround someone gets pregnant ?

Due to life and work commitments I don’t get so much time to read the forum at the moment but it’s always a refreshing dose of “WTF” to dive into this thread. Typing this from a central London ASK restaurant having a “meal for one”. So many window lickers in the big smoke

Sorry for late reply. Yes, that’s where I got mine. Very good customer service.

I can’t help on cost as I didn’t shop arround once I had decided on the brand but I have fitted a Liecht kitchen and I’m really pleased with the quality. I guess like everything though a lot is down to the quality of the fitter.

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Ive just had that email but the thing that caught my attention was how it was signed. FFS, give me strength! Love and power, Jon Paull Operations Director

Nice work! Congrats!

50 shades of?

which is generally even more stressful than self building