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Sorry don't believe those figures are possible with an 8kW inverter. PV panels maybe able to produce that many kWh, but an 8kW inverter will not let that energy out. Especially if a G98 approved inverter is installed. 25682/365, is 70kWh a day on average, which is a production of 8kW constantly for 9 hours every day, have you actually done any checks on this to see if they are realistic? Those figures are well out of date. Your export rate is likely to 40 to 50% lower in 5 weeks time.
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Bit confused. Are you planning to change your roof on the main house? Assume you are semi detached with the green fence and what looks to be a party wall on you sketches. How are you going to tie the two roof together? I wouldn't be happy to agree, if I was living next door to you.
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Small ASHPs / Units primarily for DHW
JohnMo replied to Conor's topic in Air Source Heat Pumps (ASHP)
Why the added complications, UFH is fine on its own for heating. Can do cooling also, just flow at 15 degrees, will knock the extremes of summer heat off and cost next to nothing to do. Everything else sounds good. -
UH - Thermostat won't reach set room temperature in colder weather.
JohnMo replied to nathan656's topic in Underfloor Heating
Your pump should set to match the flow rates required. Turn it down until you see the flow meters drop, then set it one speed higher. 2l/min isn't a high flow rate, tweek the flow rates up where the area served by the loop is too cool. Thermostat should be away from any outside influences so by the front door may not be the best place. Don't see that as an issue, if you have a modulating boiler the boiler modulates to match demand, if the boiler was perfectly sized and flow temp was set correctly the boiler would/should run all the time. -
Have a look at bumblesolar, they do packaged with decent descriptions. https://www.bimblesolar.com/offgrid/complete-packages?utm_source=Google&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiA5-uuBhDzARIsAAa21T_pBfVYnZg6RQ-C1fytSoJzP7IIHhN1WXUWTLpcdoWkxqSsrT8pzWQaAqdBEALw_wcB
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Something like this, would assume setting in the solar controller or inverter would stop drain down.
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May be good way around things. For a simple heat pump I quite like these (on paper at least). https://eco-outlet.co.uk/products/activair-3kw-indoor-air-source-heat-pump They don't modulate, but you don't need that. They only pull 0.75kW and 5.2 Amps you could configure the ducts to do cooling in the summer also. Small off grid inverter and almost a caravan battery to act as a buffer.
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I would look from a slight different direction. PV will get utilised before your demand takes from the grid. Any short falls are then taken from the grid. So if your generating 2kW and your heat pump is the only thing online and is drawing 2kW, all good, no import. If it does a stop-start cycle and the inrush current is higher than you are generating, the shortfall will be grabbed from the grid.
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Why pay a supplement to have PV installed, so you can export? As much as Octopus says they accept non MCS installs it's only a trial and you have to pay a fee, and jump through hoops. Plenty on here don't have heat for bedrooms at all, when they are upstairs. I have found the cheapest way to run my heating is. UFH run at a fixed 35 Deg demand flow temp, mostly on E7. The floor is 100mm concrete so a big lump to heat, flow temp never really exceeds 33 degs before a thermostat switches it off. Run time depends on outside temp etc. sometimes it goes off at 7am other times it runs until lunch time, controlled by thermostat. Then it's off until 0.30am. We have a GivEnergy All in one battery. We automate the charge % via home assistant based on solar forecast, so last night it charged to 64% on E7. Sunny day today, but only 4 degs currently and -4 last night. Total import 20kWh (UFH and battery from 38 to 64%) home usage so far 24kWh. Heat pump is off and battery being charged at 3.5kW. Unlikely to use much, if any high rate electric. Our typical running cost for all electricity at the moment (Feb) averaging at about £4, in Dec nearly twice that.
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That's really impressive. My roof panels get lots of shade in the morning so very short productive day.
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I am heating 195m2 bungalow (3kW max) and a summer house (1kW max). Why does a new build need 12kW? Unless 500m2? If it does you should really concentrate on insulation and airtightness, moderate PV and battery. When the sun isn't out no matter how much PV you have, the production is rubbish. Plus Dec and Jan when heat demand is highest you have the lowest yields from PV and shortest production time.
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I would really look again at the heat pump set up your are considering. Sounds like overkill just install fan coils in the bedroom and run from a single heat pump. I'm using a 6kW one for heat, DHW and heating a summer house and it spends half its time off. PV winter yield was most important for me, so I did vertical panels and they are working out to be good. I don't export on purpose and as it's all self installed, so get zero money when I do. Why that high, look at a ToU tariff.
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My output at this time last year with just 45 deg panels, wasn't worth talking about.
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Octopus will have or need to have a charger they can control. At a time of their choosing they will suck energy out of the car. Later they will refill to a full charge.
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Think that may be stretching. Better CoP possibly but not high CoP. The fundamental issue with phase change is it requires the the heat source to always be above phase change temperature, CoP can never be that good. So if phase change temp is 50 the heat source needs to be over 50 plus the dT, so about 58-60 throughout the heating cycle Cylinder heating, the heat source only needs to be hotter than the cylinder temperature, so heat temp ramps up slowly with the cylinder temperature, only when the cylinder is at full temp does the heat pump output get in to 58-60 range. So CoP will always be better with a cylinder. PV doesn't need to be integrated, if it's available it is is utilised if the heat pump is running. Just time DHW for the muddle if the day when PV is likely to be available. The heat losses is also a red hearing, most losses come from poorly installed and badly insulated piping on a cylinder or a phase change store for that matter, not the vessel it self. Measuring the shell temp of my C rated cylinder it's 21 degrees (50 degs inside) in a 21 deg room, so heat loss is next to zero. Even if it's loosing heat the MVHR extract captures it and it's distributed around the house.
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Perhaps those people shouldn't be doing DIY, they should get the plumber in. Or possibly read the instructions that tell how to install a hose without kinking and twisting it.
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Why, they are stupid expensive, hot water cylinder isn't. Control is way simpler for the cylinder also. From what you see on here, a cylinder is way more reliable, a thermostat is really all that can go wrong, so easy to fix or replace. Certainly with heat pump storage temperature (50 and below) heat losses are pretty low from a cylinder. And a cylinder can be heated by heat pump easily, phase change not so easy and if you do the CoP is dreadful, because the heat flow has to be above the phase change temperature at all times. Most heat pumps will not do that anyway.
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3.1kW at 45 deg, and 4.5kW vertical. Not bad for NE Scotland, have generated 200kWh so far this month.
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Your manual will say something like the below service pipe into the dwelling should be a minimum of 22mm (usually in the form of a 25mm MDPE supply). The optimum performance is achieved if the inlet pressure is 3 bar dynamic. However, will function with lower inlet pressures, but this will reduce the performance. There should be a flow of at least 30 litres per minute or above available into the property. Normally Ideal HP provides well in excess of 40 litres/min in most conditions. Q4, 22m isn't a long way, 25mm will.be fine. Lower friction, already a smooth surface, no need to look elsewhere. Q5 yes and you don't need 32mm. Q6 yes if it's part open. It should be fully open - if the leak is from the stem tighten the nut where the valve stem comes out the body, to punch the gland a little tighter.
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The vertical panels are proving themselves very productive, just had a quick look and was producing around 5.6kW from the vertical and 45 deg arrays. 2/3 was from the vertical panels. Yesterday was the least import we have done over the winter months. We imported 16kWh, for all heating, DHW and normal household electricity. We had -1 overnight and a high of about 6 during the day, so heating was on. 2kWh topped the battery up to 60%, as it was still quite full from the previous day. The rest went into running things on cheap rate period (12kWh). The remainder of the day came from battery, PV (15.5kWh) and a final 2kWh at full price. Total price of electricity yesterday was £3.24. Last year even with the 45 deg panels we still imported 17kWh each day on average, with heating and hot water coming from gas. PV, battery, E7 and heat pump is proving to be quite a bit cheaper, than PV and gas boiler. Averaging around £80 saving per month over the winter so far (pricing corrected to current rates, so comparing like for like).
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Tundish as per photo. There are requirements for sizes and bend positions.
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You can check on any tap. Static is the pressure with no taps open, you then open a tap and the resulting pressure is the dynamic pressure.
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£5k for the small one, that's a cylinder and 5 years heating on direct electric at 7kWh day.
