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You wake up in the morning and everyone is alive for another day, by luck rather than good judgment. .

So if you read the U.K. Version of that it says you're ok buried in concrete, the US version says you can't ....! How bizarre....! Plastics Express do kits with 5/10/15m of pipe and two fittings from about £60

I'm the plumber (that's going to come back to haunt me)??? we left a long tail to get up behind the kitchen units to upstairs where we will have a compression fitting into copper pipe. As long as it's one length ie no fittings it's fine in concrete, if you need fittings in the concrete then it gets complicated. Remember it's compression fittings on to the gastite pipe and they need to be accessible at a later date.

+1 to going by the doorway. PIR light ( bright one ) and they're less likely to be hammering, chiselling or grinding in full view. I can never understand anyone putting it out of sight / rear etc as scrotes can then work away at it out of sight. I pointed this out to one customer who moved it the next day.

Just remember that if a thief uses a hidden key to get in, then you can forget your insurance. There are only so many places to hide a key; thieves know most of them and none are approved by insurers! Decent key safes are approved by most insurers, but a jam jar or your £30 eBay version probably isn't.

Anyone ever had a query from an insurance company about a key safe ..?? I know they're always looking for ways not to pay up so if the key box was broken into and the key used to enter the house would it be covered..?? I know when we had one for my grandparents the key only got you inside the porch and there was an emergency call button in there.

+1 to that. Just use a decent safe and decent anchors. We fitted one for my parents when they became dependent on the daily carers visiting, and like it so much that we bought one for our own front door. If you think about it, most are positioned so that they are only visible to house callers. In our case it has a discrete cover and when I've mentioned it to friends who visit regularly, they usually say what key safe? It only has to be more secure than the alternative ways of breaking in (like using a typical barrel lock on your doors).

Every one I have seen is by the door the key opens. They are fairly unobtrusive and as you will know easy to operate (otherwise they will confuse care staff or the householder who has lost their key and may have some cognitive difficulty). I think if they want in, they will get in...this has been discussed before. In my limited knowledge however house breaking is pretty much non existent in Glasgow nowadays. But I've nothing to base this on other than pub talk...or rather the lack of it?

Put it on the neighbours gatepost :-) I'm half serious - I've got one at our flat outside our door. With hindsight, I should have put it at the bottom of the close with no marking - then anyone who managed to get it off, and into it, would have to try quite a few doors first, deterrent enough. I'll end up fitting one somewhere at the new place - probably resin bolt it into the concrete wall at the drive.

A lot of holiday rentals here use a key safe, just give the tenant the number. Most are by the back door. Why not give the cleaner her own key, and hide mum's spare key somewhere away from the house? i.e. not under the doormat or plant pot by the door.

Not exactly what you were asking but- Have you thought of using some kind of electronic key where you can issue temporary keys to people. I have looked into this a bit, but am not quite sure yet which of the various systems is the best. It is relatively new technology. Edit: Spent a bit of time researching. The August smart lock looks interesting, but the reviews suggest it is not 100% reliable which a normal lock is. It may not be time yet for this technology.

What about not using rawl plugs and using anchor bolts instead? (or shield bolts as they are more secure than rawl plugs) I've got my gun cabinets secured with them and you can quite literally swing off them and they'll not budge! Remember even if someone levers a keysafe off, they've still got to get into it. I see them right beside the doors in some places and they don't seem to have an issue, but if you hid it well enough, then needing to see it each time in case of tampering shouldn't really be necessary.