Why we need "Net zero"

[SteamyTea]

42 minutes ago, Crofter said:

We'll probably still need some gas generation to plug the gaps

1 tonne of bio digestible waste produces about 400 cubic metres of gas, half of that is methane.

200 m³ of methane has around 2 MWh of energy. If a third of that was converted to electricity, and the UK produced about 35 million tonnes each year, so about 23 TWh of power.

Or, oddly enough, about what Hinckley C will churn out in a year.

 

(The use of fuel cells, rather than turbines would up efficiently significantly, but that would require more development)

 

Edited 3 hours ago by SteamyTea

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25 minutes ago, saveasteading said:

I live in the SE but do think that it is a resource for the areas it comes from and there should be recompense. A very big meter at Dalwhinnie, or Banchory or wherever.

Totally agree. It is not fair that the same areas get all the pain.

 

[JohnMo]

Wind wonderful stuff, just charged the battery from the grid.

 

In Singapore, there a law which means "for the greater good" so basically NIMBY's, just get ignored. We on the other hand engage with them and listen, which just encourages them to be more vocal.

[SteamyTea]

37 minutes ago, saveasteading said:

roads run both directions. bringing services and selling goods. Pylons tend to be sending energy  in one direction.

They are multi directional. Our electrical grid is similar to a house ring main.

It is designed this way to make it more robust and capable of dealing with unexpected large generation plants shutting down.

It is the small (but still large) spurs that need an upgrade to cope with more distributed capacity. But that is nothing compared to the local 'last mile' upgraded that are needed.

 

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[jack]

4 hours ago, markc said:

moving our industries overseas to reduce our emissions may work out as Net but disastrous for the planet and our country

 

100% 

 

For the most part we've just exported our dirty industries to places like China. They then got a lot better at it, provoking Jevons Paradox, and here we are:

 

 

Look at the UK, saving the world with its carbon reductions.

 

 

[ProDave]

2 hours ago, saveasteading said:

But the gentle people of SE England don't want to see turbines or pylons but do want the energy. Some power somewhere is keeping it that way.

 

And the transmission lines really do disfigure vast areas of beauty and wilderness,  The residents, through whose areas they pass, get no recompense.

Yes, that is the issue.  the South want the power, and while the good people of Scotland have been having all these wind farms and pylons built (in spite of objections) the good people in the Cotswolds can have their green power without having to see it.

 

THAT HAS TO CHANGE.

[Beelbeebub]

There's a golf course on the Scottish coast that I would *love* to see surrounded by wind turbines.... 

[Crofter]

27 minutes ago, jack said:

 

100% 

 

For the most part we've just exported our dirty industries to places like China. They then got a lot better at it, provoking Jevons Paradox, and here we are:

 

 

Look at the UK, saving the world with its carbon reductions.

 

 

This is a little misleading, because China of course are manufacturing the whole world's goods.

And there is more manufacturing being done in general.

[Beelbeebub]

On a serious note, there should be "business rates" (for want of a better word) on solar/onshore wind and possibly even pylons to feed money into the local area. Even down to parish level. Say your parish council got a couple of grad each year for 4 or 5 pylons in the parish.

 

Say there was a discount on every household per unit elecy cost  in the effected post codes. 

[Nestor]

Per Capita.

Edited 1 hour ago by Nestor
Per capita

[SteamyTea]

47 minutes ago, Beelbeebub said:

Say there was a discount on every household per unit elecy cost  in the effected post codes. 

Would have some people trying to move into the area, bit like having a 'good school' nearby.

 I am one of 6 houses in my post code area, would be get a discount based on the number of turbines/pylons/hectares of PV, slip 6 ways, so a good discount.  What if there were 600 houses i.e. a small discount.

Discounting peoples energy is a recipe for disaster, no incentive to do the right thing and use less.

[Beelbeebub]

26 minutes ago, SteamyTea said:

Would have some people trying to move into the area, bit like having a 'good school' nearby.

 I am one of 6 houses in my post code area, would be get a discount based on the number of turbines/pylons/hectares of PV, slip 6 ways, so a good discount.  What if there were 600 houses i.e. a small discount.

Discounting peoples energy is a recipe for disaster, no incentive to do the right thing and use less.

You're right, discounting per unit could lead to unintended consequences.

 

More like if you live in the area affected you get a 10% discount on standing charge - standing charges vary by location anyway. 

 

 Not split by how many people just everyone in postcode gets a % reduction.