Induction hobs with integrated ventilation - no reviews available on new models

[newhome]

6 hours ago, puntloos said:

Good tip, I might have to get a subscription I suppose.

 

It’s £1 for the first month but remember to cancel if you don’t want to continue. 

[Ggbarn]

Hi everyone, new to the forum but this chain has been really helpful. We will have to have a recirculating hob due to a solid floor and island in the middle of the room - there is no chance to have overhead either due to double height barn ceiling. We were planning on elica but after reading a lot of online feedback about recirculating downdraft extractors not being worth the money I am now completely thrown and no idea what to do for the best -

 

just go for the downdraft recirculating option 

 

plain induction hob top - no extractor 

 

plain induction hob top and start to research pop up work top extractors 

 

please can can someone help  ?‍♂️

 

@ryder72 any help would be much appreciated!

[scottishjohn]

12 minutes ago, Ggbarn said:

plain induction hob top and start to research pop up work top extractors 

don.t know if i would call them "plain " 

last ones i looked at were £2k upwards

[dannyboy123]

I've been looking at a bosch induction hob with integrated downdraft. Not sure what the difference is between this and the bora?....cant find a price for the bora basic online either...kinda strange.

[Ggbarn]

On 20/07/2019 at 13:29, scottishjohn said:

don.t know if i would call them "plain " 

last ones i looked at were £2k upwards

From what I have looked into you can buy an induction hob top anything from £500 upwards from the likes of AEG etc - it’s as much or as little as you are able to spend unless you go for the downdraft options which all seem to start around £1500 upwards

 

so much choice that’s why I’m so unsure what to do......

[Jeremy Harris]

On 20/07/2019 at 22:37, dannyboy123 said:

I've been looking at a bosch induction hob with integrated downdraft. Not sure what the difference is between this and the bora?....cant find a price for the bora basic online either...kinda strange.

 

 

I have a general principle that if a company doesn't advertise the price of its products, or make the prices readily available, then I don't bother looking any further at them.  Hidden pricing is, more often than not, a way of being able to cover up charging way too much for something.  The sales tactic is to get customers hooked on the product features to the point where they are committed to buy it, then charge whatever you think you can get away with.  It was traditionally the sales technique used by high-end luxury brands (like Rolls Royce, "if you need to ask the price you cannot afford it") but has been copied endlessly by other companies now, even companies selling complete tat (not suggesting that applies to this company, BTW).

[ToughButterCup]

3 minutes ago, JSHarris said:

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Hidden pricing is, more often than not, a way of being able to cover up charging way too much for something.  

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[Ed Davies]

3 hours ago, Ggbarn said:

From what I have looked into you can buy an induction hob top anything from £500 upwards from the likes of AEG etc

 

£260 from IKEA: https://www.ikea.com/gb/en/p/matmaessig-induction-hob-black-30368822/

[puntloos]

3 hours ago, Ed Davies said:

 

£260 from IKEA: https://www.ikea.com/gb/en/p/matmaessig-induction-hob-black-30368822/

Huh. I must say that IKEA one has surprisingly good specs. I'm often discouraged by hobs that lack power (where the individual burners don't have enough oomph). 

 

Currently I mostly look at:

- Power for individual burners (want at least 1 able to hit 3000W)

- Smooth, well thought-out controls. Can I reliably switch it from 0 to 100% and from 100 to 0% in a quick move. (I have a inductionhob with a physical dial now.. very happy since I can really 'spin' it to zero in one swipe)

- Actual heating area. Quite a few hobs have a cute large circle drawn on where the pan should sit, where the actual heated area is in a tiny center spot.

 

Does anyone have actual experience with these hobs?

 

[SteamyTea]

4 hours ago, Ed Davies said:

 

£260 from IKEA: https://www.ikea.com/gb/en/p/matmaessig-induction-hob-black-30368822/

Did I miss the bit about ventilation/extraction for this hob.

Tempted to get one, and the oven that came up with it.

[Ed Davies]

6 minutes ago, SteamyTea said:

Did I miss the bit about ventilation/extraction for this hob.

 

There's a divergent sub-thread on the cost of “plain” hobs, without ventilation.

[SteamyTea]

Right, I must remember that just in case I feel the need to derail a topic.

I wonder how hard it would be to make ones own extractor for a hob.  Just a fan and an intake.  Pipe work would need to run downhill all the way to get rid of water.

[lizzie]

The higher end brands (Bora, Gaggenau etc) dont generally sell on the multiple internet sites its mainly via higher end kitchen suppliers. There are some on line companies who do deal with them and they will get you a price if you ask. Siemens offer incentives to kitchen suppliers who in turn push their products....myself I’m not a fan of Siemens.

 

I chose my Bora because it gave me everything I wanted in a hob, the extractor was only one factor (although it is funky).  There is more to a hob and extractor than spec on the page.  For me I wanted to try cooking on one before I made my choice.  There are some supposedly well specced hobs (and extractors) that dont make the grade when you use them.  Try before you buy if you can whatever your budget.

 

I sourced all my own appliances as I could get them cheaper than my kitchen man.  The only thing he sourced for me was my Bora and there is no price competition on those.

 

 

[ryder72]

@Ggbarn if you are looking at a venting hob, I would urge you to consider the Novy range. Their product is unique because unlike all their competitors they do not accept that an extraction solution flush with the hob provides effective extraction. For this reason they have extraction integrated into the hob which rises to varying heights to assist. The benefits this provides is that the extractor is quieter. They work by creating a pressure differential that is matched only by one Miele and one Siemens model and an accelerated airflow rate that beats anything else on the market. The I dont really rate the Siemens or the Miele hoods generally.

 

I myself have a Gutmann Abajo and while it works well, its substantially noisier than the Novy hoods. If I could, I would swap my Gutmann for a Novy.

 

There are several other features on the Novy that make  it a better hob.

 

Bora is not a bad product but its mostly marketing hype and its easily equalled by a BSH product.

 

@SteamyTea- in principle its not difficult for anyone to make a venting hob. Its still a low volume product so to make one that is commercially viable is the challenge. For this reason, even today only a handful of companies make their own hoods and most are manufactured by contract manufacturing companies in Italy and branded. I wont name names, but some of the biggest branded hoods arent even their own product and a cheaper equivalent is easily sourceable.

 

 

[Ggbarn]

On 23/07/2019 at 10:07, ryder72 said:

@Ggbarn if you are looking at a venting hob, I would urge you to consider the Novy range. Their product is unique because unlike all their competitors they do not accept that an extraction solution flush with the hob provides effective extraction. For this reason they have extraction integrated into the hob which rises to varying heights to assist. The benefits this provides is that the extractor is quieter. They work by creating a pressure differential that is matched only by one Miele and one Siemens model and an accelerated airflow rate that beats anything else on the market. The I dont really rate the Siemens or the Miele hoods generally.

 

I myself have a Gutmann Abajo and while it works well, its substantially noisier than the Novy hoods. If I could, I would swap my Gutmann for a Novy.

 

There are several other features on the Novy that make  it a better hob.

 

Bora is not a bad product but its mostly marketing hype and its easily equalled by a BSH product.

 

@SteamyTea- in principle its not difficult for anyone to make a venting hob. Its still a low volume product so to make one that is commercially viable is the challenge. For this reason, even today only a handful of companies make their own hoods and most are manufactured by contract manufacturing companies in Italy and branded. I wont name names, but some of the biggest branded hoods arent even their own product and a cheaper equivalent is easily sourceable.

 

 

 

Thank you @ryder72 had noticed your comments about Novy earlier in the thread so had been trying to look them up but finding it very hard to find many details on them and pricing in our area- any recommendations on retailers? 

[Ggbarn]

Just to add - does anyone have experience of the Elica induction with downdraft? Are they a no go?

[ryder72]

We are a Novy retailer but you will find a list on their website. PM me is you like more info.

 

Elica - not bad.

 

 

[wozza]

On ‎23‎/‎07‎/‎2019 at 10:07, ryder72 said:

 

Bora is not a bad product but its mostly marketing hype and its easily equalled by a BSH product.

 

 

I currently own a Siemens induction hob (no extraction) and its been a good hob

 

I have had a demo on the same day of the Neff extraction hob and also the Bora hob.

 

I have also had a full demo of the Bora range (not the version 2s or the pure) at a showroom.

 

The Bora is better than the BSH extractor hob in my opinion (quieter and extracts better), and once my kitchen is finished it will be fitted with a Bora - you can get a good deal if you phone around the suppliers.

 

[lizzie]

Just now, wozza said:

 

I currently own a Siemens induction hob (no extraction) and its been a good hob

 

I have had a demo on the same day of the Neff extraction hob and also the Bora hob.

 

I have also had a full demo of the Bora range (not the version 2s or the pure) at a showroom.

 

The Bora is better than the BSH extractor hob in my opinion (quieter and extracts better), and once my kitchen is finished it will be fitted with a Bora - you can get a good deal if you phone around the suppliers.

 

I agree I have a Bora, I had demos of several before deciding on a Bora.

 

I dont know why, @ryder72 has never been keen on Bora.

 

Early on I looked at one local kitchen showroom (because a friend worked in admin there) and had some designs done, they couldn't get to grips with the look I wanted, they also only recommended products they sold, tried to push me into brands I didnt want. They may have been good brands but they were not what I had decided on after doing my own research. They didnt like it and were grudging about trying to source my wish list appliances.  The company I used in the end were brilliant, he was a Bora showroom so sorted that but because he was not an agent for the ovens I wanted he said he couldn't  get good discounts so if I could get them cheaper on the internet go ahead and they would fit them.  Such a great company to deal with one if the best on my whole build.

 

btw have been using my Bora for over a year and I love it.

[ryder72]

I have nothing against Bora. I just dont think the product lives up to the marketing hype. They are brilliant at marketing their product.

 

I have seen independent test results which show the Bora sitting in the middle of the pile and outperformed by BSH, Miele which one wouldnt expect to be doing better given they arent really specialist products and probably cheaper too.

 

The other specialist products that Bora competes against far outstrips Bora on performance.

[lizzie]

@ryder72 do you sell Bora?

[ryder72]

No. I have never been convinced by them. But if someone insisted, we can source it.

[lizzie]

17 minutes ago, ryder72 said:

No. I have never been convinced by them. But if someone insisted, we can source it.

That is what the first kitchen ppl said to me about my choices ........another kitchen supplier I talked to (not the one I used in the end) was so impressed by Bora from looking at it for me they became authorised stockists.

 

I didnt choose on statistics and reports I chose from trying the products. I think its individual it suited me so I bought it not what first kitchen co tried to steer me into.

Edited July 27, 2019 by lizzie

[ryder72]

@lizzieand your point is?

 

I have seen independent study results that show other makes outperforming Bora. That doesnt meant bora is rubbish. There are better products out there which I choose to supply, support and have in my own kitchen.

[lizzie]

2 minutes ago, ryder72 said:

@lizzieand your point is?

 

I have seen independent study results that show other makes outperforming Bora. That doesnt meant bora is rubbish. There are better products out there which I choose to supply, support and have in my own kitchen.

pressed button too soon see edited above crossed with this reply. Have no wish to be difficult you are giving your opinion on stats results etc I am giving my view from physical trials and use and what I liked best to use not based on what the reports said.

 

One of the worst vacuum cleaners I ever owned I bought based on independent reports.