ProDave Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 If you are going to do this, use crates to contain the stone and only do it on a straight run. My first house the developer (or the planners) decided resin bonded stones on the private road and parking spaces would be a good idea. At the point where the road turned, the stones just got scuffed off in no time leaving two bare strips where the car wheels went. The builder re did it twice and both time it did the same. I would have MUCH rather just had a tarmac road. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan52 Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 If I was going down the resin route then I would want a real level sub base that wouldn't move any where so would go with either concrete or tarmac. How long will the plastic grid hold up to traffic before you end up with track marks from your car wheels??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliG Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 I believe the normal way to do it is wit a tarmac sub base. As it is so expensive I don't think it is worth skimping on the preparation as you don't want it starting to crack and fail in a few years. It is a bit of a mystery to me how it is classed as permeable, because I assume that rainwater permeates the stones and resin at the top then hits the tarmac and runs straight down it, maybe just the fact that the resin bound top layer slows down the water is enough to get it classed as a permeable surface. Key thing for me is no weeds and maintenance Our current block driveway constantly has weeds, has sagged under weight and also many of the block look in need of replacement after 14 years. Interestingly the road that my house is on is also built from block paving yet there are few weeds and it has held up much better, I don't know what the difference is. They were both laid by the same people. I am guessing the main road has a tarmac or concrete base under the blocks and this makes the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hecateh Posted October 20, 2017 Author Share Posted October 20, 2017 37 minutes ago, AliG said: I believe the normal way to do it is wit a tarmac sub base. As it is so expensive I don't think it is worth skimping on the preparation as you don't want it starting to crack and fail in a few years. Used to have to have tarmac or concrete base but the company I linked to gives an 18 year guarantee using the cellular grid - obviously this is only if you have their contractors to install it so they have control but it shows it can last. I'm retired and live alone so it won't get a great deal of wear. 37 minutes ago, AliG said: It is a bit of a mystery to me how it is classed as permeable, That's why I need to have it done on the hardcore - in addition to cost 37 minutes ago, AliG said: Key thing for me is no weeds and maintenance Our current block driveway constantly has weeds, has sagged under weight and also many of the block look in need of replacement after 14 years. They say minimal weeds and should be pressure washed annually - also no fade 37 minutes ago, AliG said: Interestingly the road that my house is on is also built from block paving yet there are few weeds and it has held up much better, I don't know what the difference is. They were both laid by the same people. I am guessing the main road has a tarmac or concrete base under the blocks and this makes the difference. I would guess so too - or just a thicker layer of hardcore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hecateh Posted October 20, 2017 Author Share Posted October 20, 2017 4 hours ago, ProDave said: If you are going to do this, use crates to contain the stone and only do it on a straight run. My first house the developer (or the planners) decided resin bonded stones on the private road and parking spaces would be a good idea. At the point where the road turned, the stones just got scuffed off in no time leaving two bare strips where the car wheels went. The builder re did it twice and both time it did the same. I would have MUCH rather just had a tarmac road. bonded - the resin is spread on a solid base and the stones are scattered on. Resin bound are mixed, with all stones coated prior to laying - much stronger result Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone West Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 1 hour ago, AliG said: It is a bit of a mystery to me how it is classed as permeable, because I assume that rainwater permeates the stones and resin at the top then hits the tarmac and runs straight down it, maybe just the fact that the resin bound top layer slows down the water is enough to get it classed as a permeable surface. The tarmac is permeable in my case. Permeable tarmac has been around for quite a while and is used on parts of some racing circuits where water lies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitpipe Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 I'm having mine laid as I type - just had the resin bound/bonded discussion with the contractor. He's amazed that architects interchange the two when they are quite different - bound is permeable and the bonded is not. Spec is pretty much same as Peter. We've laid a block perimeter to enclose the resin and have a substantial sub base, competed in layers, before the permeable tarmac and resin is laid. Our landscaper did all the prep work. Very surprised at the speed. Our H shaped drive is about 250m2 and the tarmac was down and level in half a day. They're back today doing the resin and after an hour have already done about 20%. They're using a specialist mixer to blend the resin, aggregate and sand (looks like a candy floss machine) as he says standard bell mixers don't mix as well and the resin collects at the bottom. Hand troweled finish and a dusting of powdered glass for grip and sparkle! Cost wise (and these are SE prices), tarmac is £25/ms and the resin bound gravel is £51/m2, although we've gone for a very light colour which necessitates more expensive clear resin. Darker colours can use the cheaper yellow resin and are more like £30/m2. Like any high value service, there are lots of chancers in the game (glorified tarmackers) so we were careful to get a good recommendation and check the work of our guy. As we're a big job - he has about 8 lads on site right now so it will get all laid in a single day with no joins. For the bel mouths, we're going for blocks (to match the perimeter) with the gates as a transition point between the two materials. It's the final big spend of the build but a great note to end on as it looks spectacular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitpipe Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 On 20/10/2017 at 16:28, PeterStarck said: The tarmac is permeable in my case. Permeable tarmac has been around for quite a while and is used on parts of some racing circuits where water lies. Same for us - I understand that it's not as hard wearing as the impermeable variety but as a base layer its fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitpipe Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 All done - just need to keep cars off it until we get the entrances paved next week. Then I can render wall, hang gates, plant hedge, turf front etc... I keep telling myself that we’re almost done ? 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kesoolhe Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Hello Bitpipe, Lovely end result. Can I kindly ask what the name of the installation company is. many thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitpipe Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 14 hours ago, Kesoolhe said: Hello Bitpipe, Lovely end result. Can I kindly ask what the name of the installation company is. many thanks My landscaper did the groundworks, sub base and edging and I used a Reading firm for the resin. Will PM you details of both - what area are you in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 On 13/01/2018 at 13:46, Bitpipe said: All done - just need to keep cars off it until we get the entrances paved next week. Then I can render wall, hang gates, plant hedge, turf front etc... I keep telling myself that we’re almost done ? Great house, nice drive. Do you put your slippers on before you step on the drive? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lizzie Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 I use my cordless dyson on mine works a treat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitpipe Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 1 hour ago, lizzie said: I use my cordless dyson on mine works a treat! Funny - the gate guys left some sawdust on the resin when fitting boards to the external gates - I went out and hoovered it up. You can walk on it in socks as its perfectly flat, weather permitting... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kesoolhe Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 On 31/10/2018 at 12:53, Bitpipe said: My landscaper did the groundworks, sub base and edging and I used a Reading firm for the resin. Will PM you details of both - what area are you in? Sorry for the delay, had the stress of a house move to contend with. We're in Cambridgeshire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitpipe Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 19 hours ago, Kesoolhe said: Sorry for the delay, had the stress of a house move to contend with. We're in Cambridgeshire. Ah - doubt they'd go that far, seem to be Berkshire based. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kesoolhe Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 On 07/12/2018 at 13:32, Bitpipe said: Ah - doubt they'd go that far, seem to be Berkshire based. Thanks all the same Bitpipe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWCL Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 does anybody know a good tarmac company that can lay the porous 'open course' tarmac in the £25 per square metre range?? ...in preparation for resin bound aggregate..??..thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Harris Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 1 hour ago, GWCL said: does anybody know a good tarmac company that can lay the porous 'open course' tarmac in the £25 per square metre range?? ...in preparation for resin bound aggregate..??..thank you. Depends very much on where you live, I think, as I'd guess most people may have tended to use a contractor close to them. There are some other threads here covering this topic that might be helpful: https://forum.buildhub.org.uk/topic/6558-resin-drive/ https://forum.buildhub.org.uk/topic/12375-bonded-gravel/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gc100 Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 Just come across this by chance and I couldn’t believe how dirty resin bond could get. Hasn’t been touched for 4 years but still. Looks like a shaded area which isn’t going to help. Anyhow thought I’d share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 Overall he seemed to be quite thorough there. Mind he started off so well with his broom, wheelbarrow and shovel but then pushed a load of crap into the road rather than put it in the barrow. That's just plain lazy. Wtf does he think it's going to go? You'll quite likely drag some back onto the drive when you pull in next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitpipe Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 Ha - have just started to give mine its first proper clean. I noticed some blades of grass starting to grow in it - I suspect this is grass seed that washed off the front lawn bit that I finally finished before xmas. The lawn has already started to sprout and I'll probably overseed in spring when I see how it's taken. Need to hold the pressure waster quite close to the surface to dislodge any growth but it does look good. I think I'm about 10% there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan52 Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 He definitely done a good job cleaning that up. Don't think it will matter much though as with a driveway as white as that it will always look dirty with a tiny amount of grime on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan52 Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 1 minute ago, Bitpipe said: Ha - have just started to give mine its first proper clean. I noticed some blades of grass starting to grow in it - I suspect this is grass seed that washed off the front lawn bit that I finally finished before xmas. The lawn has already started to sprout and I'll probably overseed in spring when I see how it's taken. Need to hold the pressure waster quite close to the surface to dislodge any growth but it does look good. I think I'm about 10% there I'm just finished doing my pavers. Lidl had a patio cleaner attachment for a powerhose and it has done a great job. Had to abandon ship though with it mostly done as it's started to lash down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitpipe Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 (edited) One leg of the H done, like you it’s too wet here and the water is starting to puddle on the drive as ground is saturated. Thats probably the worst bit - in shade and next to trees so a bit mossy. I have a flat circular head for the Karacher - it’s good for a general clean but not as effective when there’s ingrained dirt and moss. The only downside of bonded gravel is it’s inherent open texture which will always give the opportunity for things to grow on it. This is like carpet cleaning though - until you've done the first bit its hard to tell how filthy it is Edited February 29, 2020 by Bitpipe 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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