johnhenstock83 Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 hi all, a bit of a weird request, but we found a local Howdens who will, in principle, sell me a kitchen as long as I have a trade account. is there anyone happy to share theirs? we already have good quotes from other suppliers (DIY Kitchens, Wickes, Magnet etc.), but I prefer Howdens if I have the choice. thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 I suggested a while back that Buildhub get a discount scheme going with the major suppliers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyT Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 Just open one yourself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 https://www.howdens.com/trade-account-application/main/get-started Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnhenstock83 Posted June 20, 2023 Author Share Posted June 20, 2023 how? I'm not a trader... is there a trick where you can get away with being a DIY builder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conor Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 It's dead easy to setup your own. They don't really care who you are. If you're doing a new build, and use somebody else's account, you won't be able to claim the VAT back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 When I applied for an account (before I retired) they did not want much to prove I was in the trade, when after I retired my mate wanted a kitchen and I went with him (different town) and told them I used to have an account and was fitting a kitchen fir my mate and they opened an account fir him/me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nod Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 1 hour ago, johnhenstock83 said: how? I'm not a trader... is there a trick where you can get away with being a DIY builder? It doesn’t matter Just put Jim’s kitchens There trade accounts are as real as Trust a trader references 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterW Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 1 hour ago, johnhenstock83 said: how? I'm not a trader... is there a trick where you can get away with being a DIY builder? yep Think up a trading name, set up a suitable gmail and then tick the sole trader box, they will then credit score you against your home address and an account will follow 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saveasteading Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 They want your business and will accept that you are doing a project.....this is zero risk for them, and discount for you. You will often find that 10% only gets down to the b&q price anyway, but it is 'always' and adds up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzz Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 As above just tick the sole trader box , I set up an account this way . Rep had been to visit my home more than once and knows full well I not in the trade but he has sold me doors ,door handles , skirting,architraves, utility and he hopes a kitchen. Good prices on most things and free coffee and biscuits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyscotland Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 Just be aware that technically speaking business-to-business contracts don't have the same legal protections as business-to-consumer. I'm not certain how the Consumer Rights Act would handle a situation if you actually are a consumer but had told the supplier you were a trader. But I suspect they could at least try to argue you should only have b2b rights. Obviously you'd hope a well-known brand would be keen to resolve things through goodwill anyway, so it may not have any practical impact. But just be aware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 I have a Howdens account as a sole trader. As they advertise "Trade Only" you would lose any battle claiming you bought as a consumer. But what rights are you worried about as a consumer? I had no problem getting a kitchen appliance repaired under warranty. Also had no problem submitting the VAT receipt and getting that refunded as part of my VAT claim. If you really don't want to do that and you know someone with an account, there is nothing to stop someone buying stuff for you and selling it to you at cost price, but then the VAT receipt would be in their name so you probably would not be able to claim the VAT back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyscotland Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 2 hours ago, ProDave said: I have a Howdens account as a sole trader. As they advertise "Trade Only" you would lose any battle claiming you bought as a consumer. But what rights are you worried about as a consumer? I had no problem getting a kitchen appliance repaired under warranty. Wouldn't say I'm worried, just worth being aware of the status. My understanding is the majority of the automatic rules around fitness for purpose (especially over time), faulty products, minimum warranty period etc are only enforceable for consumer contracts. For business to business the assumption is the customer has the knowledge to agree a contract they're happy with and the ability to sue for breach of contract if required. There's much less option to get e.g. trading standards or similar in to enforce anything as a statutory right. As I said, in practical terms with a reputable retailer I'd imagine it would make no difference especially in clear-cut disputes. Not least as a lot of retailers have discretionary returns/warranty policies that go beyond statutory minimum anyway. So I wouldn't expect it to be an issue with Howdens but in more general terms would just keep in the back of my mind that one reason trade prices are lower is that the supplier is carrying less liability. And that it is more important to read the actual T&C's of any quote/contract. Probably wouldn't matter to me, but might to some people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saveasteading Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 What problems are there with kitchens, other than missing parts? I did once have a worktop veneer with bumps in it but they simply replaced that. Electrical items would be another matter. If in doubt about your rights, speak to the manager. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saveasteading Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 At the start of our project I had to drag my son-in-law in to the local builders merchant as they are alien places to the public, and there is a fear of being embarrassed using the wrong terminology. He ended up with a very comfortable relationship, very professional and helpful service and mostly unbeatable prices, always including delivery at a modest sum. Ditto Howdens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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